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Old 09-13-2022, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
not entirely true with the amount of FO attrition. With the way things are going in Dfw I bet there will be 5 or less FO displacements by November.
All these people assume it’s gonna be carnage. However, I did a voluntary displacement bud and as of the last “what if” I’m not senior enough to get displaced. I know it may change, but for now the displacement on the FO side in DFW is essentially non-existent.
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Old 09-13-2022, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
I turned down a Spirit interview because of this and the fact that I’ll be making over 12 year Spirit FO pay as a CA at Envoy, or the same as a 9 year Spirit FO as a CA at Mesa. I literally can’t afford to be a Spirit FO at this point. I’d be taking a huge pay cut.

No more dropping trips at Spirit when they’re short staffed and they won’t be properly staffed until they increase pay.
You turned it down for a temporary pay raise at a regional with no DC? Um, Okay.....in 3.5 yrs you'd upgrade and will make more than you could ever make at any regional. That combined with the fact that rates will go up, possibly by December, was not bright on your part.
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Old 09-13-2022, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Popeye0537
You turned it down for a temporary pay raise at a regional with no DC? Um, Okay.....in 3.5 yrs you'd upgrade and will make more than you could ever make at any regional. That combined with the fact that rates will go up, possibly by December, was not bright on your part.
So everyone talking about 4 to 5 year upgrades now at Spirit and rising are lying?
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Old 09-13-2022, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
So everyone talking about 4 to 5 year upgrades now at Spirit and rising are lying?
Yeah, they are. Upgrades will be closer to eight years and rising.
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Old 09-13-2022, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Popeye0537
You turned it down for a temporary pay raise at a regional with no DC? Um, Okay.....in 3.5 yrs you'd upgrade and will make more than you could ever make at any regional. That combined with the fact that rates will go up, possibly by December, was not bright on your part.
If and when they increase pay, I may apply again. It’s a bird in the hand situation. Take the guaranteed pay and bonuses now or go to Spirit and hope they increase pay and upgrade times decrease?

I‘m going with the bird in the hand.
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Old 09-13-2022, 09:07 AM
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You’ll also be at AA or another legacy before long. You probably made a good choice
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Old 09-13-2022, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Popeye0537
You turned it down for a temporary pay raise at a regional with no DC? Um, Okay.....in 3.5 yrs you'd upgrade and will make more than you could ever make at any regional. That combined with the fact that rates will go up, possibly by December, was not bright on your part.
Regional captains make over $200 hour. With profit sharing and incentive bonuses and premium pay. Lots of regional captains making over 300k. With a flow number. 3.5 year upgrade is unlikely at Spirit. if you can upgrade that fast I hope you live in base because you’ll be on reserve for 3-4 years. No reserve drops either.

I cannot make a case for someone today to leave their regional to come here. Stay, upgrade, flow. Money is hands down better at your regional/legacy and Seniority is hands down gonna be better at your regional/legacy.
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Old 09-13-2022, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Popeye0537
You turned it down for a temporary pay raise at a regional with no DC? Um, Okay.....in 3.5 yrs you'd upgrade and will make more than you could ever make at any regional. That combined with the fact that rates will go up, possibly by December, was not bright on your part.
I think it's great. The more people that shun Spirit to stay at their regionals the better message it sends to management. Just like the free market economy utopia that every 5th captain preaches at me on some transcon redeye.

CA pay rates at a regional now are great. To not want to go back to our new hire training pay, first year pay and medical benefits farce is totally understandable. 15%DC is great but at what expense? Not being able to pay your rent? The fact that you absolutely need to dip into savings to come to Spirit and to potentially rely on cobra makes us total bottom feeders, even when compared with regionals.

The only reason anyone comes here now is for legacy flow and honestly It's blowing my mind that anyone is coming to class at all.
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Old 09-13-2022, 10:08 AM
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Well, this is great. Now I don’t know who to believe again.
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Old 09-13-2022, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by GWY320
The grid is contractually compliant at the start of Initial Open Time, but becomes almost exclusively red at the close. Only the top 10 percent are able to take advantage of the QOL this hard fought provision provides.

This is due to low FO staffing, and because of this, the grid starts with a net reserves of only 0 or 1 for many of the days. There are too many open duty periods compared to the number of available pilots.

By the time the first 5 pilots start adjusting their schedule (dropping most trips so they can become available for premium trips) the grid is almost completely red.
I think according to the red/green arbitration it's not just days, but amount of people above red as well. They can't just set the grid to red+1 and call it a day. And yes, we are short FOs, so I'm sure it sucks.
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