gflann

It’s a system that awards something not based on seniority when EVERYTHING else we get awarded (Vacancies, Vacation, Training etc) is seniority. It’s everything in this industry and were turning a blind eye to it. At least respect seniority in regard to AM or PM like other majors (not Alleigant) do. Like I said right now it’s russian roulette of R03-R19!

dualinput

You don’t get per diem when not on a trip and there really isn’t time to have a beer during a block of short call rsv

FNGFO

Read it again. He wasn’t talking about sitting in a pad waiting on a call.

dualinput

This is completely incorrect.

The system awards days off FIRST. Even if you have zero preferences for days on and off the system will give you something. THEN, AFTER your days on and off are awarded it will attempt to give you your preferenced RAP. If it cannot give you the RAP you want on the work days it awarded to you (with your input or not) it will not award that RAP. Even if it could award your RAP on 17 out of 18 days it will not award. You also have no idea ahead of time which days may not require any or little coverage of your preferred RAP so you can bid around that day.

Not preferencing days on and off does not improve your chances of getting your preferred RAP. Seniority does play a roll and if you are senior (line holder bidding back to reserve) there can be some, not complete confidence you will get your preferenced RAP. It is not a sure thing though.

We can see how many lines of each RAP we have each month. What we need is a list of how many of each RAP we have each day of the month. If the company for example only wants 2 pilots on R19 on say 2/10/22 and R19 is your preferred RAP you know that unless you are very senior you probably shouldn’t bid in a way that would have you working on 2/10/22 because the system most likely won’t be able to award you R19 in February because of that one single day only needing two pilots on that RAP. They have this information but it’s not disseminated to the pilots for some reason.

Halon1211

yes the system awards days off first. But if you have nothing else to filter out. You will get your reserve period over a junior person. Now if you have others filters then yeah you might risk it.

sounds like you don’t know how to bid.

dualinput

Sounds like you have no idea how NavBlue works

If you have no day off preferences it will award something. THEN it will try to award your RAP on your work days. If it cannot- no RAP for you.

It doesn’t even look at your RAP preferences when it awards your days on even if you have placed zero day on and off preference

Let’s say 2/10/22 requires zero R19 pilots and that is your preferred RAP. You give the system no prefermce on days off and days you care to work. It then awards you working on 2/10/22 because you didn’t give it any preference. It THEN sees you are working 2/10/22 and there is no R19 on that day. Now you will get another RAP for the entire month because you happen to be working 2/10/22 yet you gave zero day on and off preferences.

The system is a two independent step process that the bidder doesn’t see

GrumpyCaptain

Most airlines that use navblue to bid reserve have daily reserve proffering. It’s amazing and a huge step up to control your life while on reserve. There are zero plans to get that here….

mavsfflife

Look at the bright side, when you barely have enough seniority to hold a line all you have to do is wave your min days off to one and you’ll be all set. Yes, 4 days off between trips…until everybody around you starts waving them and it screws you too.
#lifeatspirit

dualinput

This is true. I like having the same RAP the entire month and when we line bid would sometime sacrifice a certain day on or off to get my preferred RAP. Unfortunately NavBlue is not set up this way for us currently. I would be against having different RAPs throughout the month. RAP, days of the week working, and seniority all weigh on whether or not you will get used but RAP is probably the most influential and having different RAPs all month would vastly change my current utilization. Goal is not to be used.

Team Boeing

What is the time to a line with the current attrition?