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#451
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 36
You aren’t telling the whole story.
days off has priority over what reserve period you are. Yeah someone junior to you may if got the reserve period but you got the days off.
so then just don’t put a days off request and you should get your reserve period and not have to whine anymore!
days off has priority over what reserve period you are. Yeah someone junior to you may if got the reserve period but you got the days off.
so then just don’t put a days off request and you should get your reserve period and not have to whine anymore!
#452
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
Honestly, I think you will be on short call for at least a year, so, 18 days a month in the crash pad, or if you get lucky, call-outs that don't break guarantee, but at least per diem pays for the beer. No trading/dropping days, an RAP isn't really awarded according to seniority. I really like it here, getting hired years ago, but in your shoes I would cast the whole net...
#453
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,796
#454
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
You aren’t telling the whole story.
days off has priority over what reserve period you are. Yeah someone junior to you may if got the reserve period but you got the days off.
so then just don’t put a days off request and you should get your reserve period and not have to whine anymore!
days off has priority over what reserve period you are. Yeah someone junior to you may if got the reserve period but you got the days off.
so then just don’t put a days off request and you should get your reserve period and not have to whine anymore!
This is completely incorrect.
The system awards days off FIRST. Even if you have zero preferences for days on and off the system will give you something. THEN, AFTER your days on and off are awarded it will attempt to give you your preferenced RAP. If it cannot give you the RAP you want on the work days it awarded to you (with your input or not) it will not award that RAP. Even if it could award your RAP on 17 out of 18 days it will not award. You also have no idea ahead of time which days may not require any or little coverage of your preferred RAP so you can bid around that day.
Not preferencing days on and off does not improve your chances of getting your preferred RAP. Seniority does play a roll and if you are senior (line holder bidding back to reserve) there can be some, not complete confidence you will get your preferenced RAP. It is not a sure thing though.
We can see how many lines of each RAP we have each month. What we need is a list of how many of each RAP we have each day of the month. If the company for example only wants 2 pilots on R19 on say 2/10/22 and R19 is your preferred RAP you know that unless you are very senior you probably shouldn’t bid in a way that would have you working on 2/10/22 because the system most likely won’t be able to award you R19 in February because of that one single day only needing two pilots on that RAP. They have this information but it’s not disseminated to the pilots for some reason.
Last edited by dualinput; 01-12-2022 at 05:24 AM.
#455
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,283
This is completely incorrect.
The system awards days off FIRST. Even if you have zero preferences for days on and off the system will give you something. THEN, AFTER your days on and off are awarded it will attempt to give you your preferenced RAP. If it cannot give you the RAP you want on the work days it awarded to you (with your input or not) it will not award that RAP. Even if it could award your RAP on 17 out of 18 days it will not award. You also have no idea ahead of time which days may not require any or little coverage of your preferred RAP so you can bid around that day.
The system awards days off FIRST. Even if you have zero preferences for days on and off the system will give you something. THEN, AFTER your days on and off are awarded it will attempt to give you your preferenced RAP. If it cannot give you the RAP you want on the work days it awarded to you (with your input or not) it will not award that RAP. Even if it could award your RAP on 17 out of 18 days it will not award. You also have no idea ahead of time which days may not require any or little coverage of your preferred RAP so you can bid around that day.
sounds like you don’t know how to bid.
#456
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
If you have no day off preferences it will award something. THEN it will try to award your RAP on your work days. If it cannot- no RAP for you.
It doesn’t even look at your RAP preferences when it awards your days on even if you have placed zero day on and off preference
Let’s say 2/10/22 requires zero R19 pilots and that is your preferred RAP. You give the system no prefermce on days off and days you care to work. It then awards you working on 2/10/22 because you didn’t give it any preference. It THEN sees you are working 2/10/22 and there is no R19 on that day. Now you will get another RAP for the entire month because you happen to be working 2/10/22 yet you gave zero day on and off preferences.
The system is a two independent step process that the bidder doesn’t see
Last edited by dualinput; 01-12-2022 at 05:56 AM.
#458
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 104
Look at the bright side, when you barely have enough seniority to hold a line all you have to do is wave your min days off to one and you’ll be all set. Yes, 4 days off between trips…until everybody around you starts waving them and it screws you too.
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#459
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
This is true. I like having the same RAP the entire month and when we line bid would sometime sacrifice a certain day on or off to get my preferred RAP. Unfortunately NavBlue is not set up this way for us currently. I would be against having different RAPs throughout the month. RAP, days of the week working, and seniority all weigh on whether or not you will get used but RAP is probably the most influential and having different RAPs all month would vastly change my current utilization. Goal is not to be used.
#460
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 44
What is the time to a line with the current attrition?
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