CincoDeMayo

“We are a major airline…according to DOT standards”

onedolla

Plan for closer to 3 months.

Champeen07

it would in fact not be a raise but actually less money by a lot. This has nothing to do with my current airline and everything to do with the fact that I see it as an insult to offer to pay someone that little money to go through a training program and expect them to bust their tail acquiring the knowledge needed to operate safely for your company. I’m just surprised people are continuing to agree to do it. I’d rather stay at the regional and keep trying for an actual major than do that. I wonder when they will run out of well qualified good pilots who think like I do.

JulesWinfield

You also get the privilege of having no medical insurance for 90 days.

OneplusF

Your subject matter hits home but you pushed a lil too hard to generate the outrage. Sun-average troll. 2/10.

YellowBanana

You have a myopic attitude, learn to play the long game and it’ll benefit you… With that being said, the company does have a problem and I’m sure they’re aware of it, but it’s their problem. When they have issues finding pilots and it starts stunting the company’s growth they’ll deal with it. So, guys like you will help this happen. Thank you!

symbian simian

I have heard a lot of people on here say that pilot retention and hiring is a company problem, and bargaining for better first year pay should not be done, because it would waste negotiating capital. I have never seen any proof that the company sees 1st year pay separate from total pilot cost, and until I see that I will believe we are all the same to management: a total cost including health care and uniform cost, necessary to operate the airline. Getting 1st year to $80/hr from date of hire would be a $1.50/hr across the board pay cut for the rest of us. Guess what, that would mean we are still $30/hr behind the big 6.I would be one of the ones spending that negotiating capital, and it would be good to know we are not scraping the bottom of the barrel.

69fastback

Well, if you’re the one that is surprised people keep doing it, and the applications keep stacking up, maybe that should tell you something about that face in the mirror.

Also, what you think of anyone’s pay, has no bearing on you being a “qualified good pilot.”

YellowBanana

I understand what you mean and do agree to the extent that we don’t need to be scraping the bottom… But I do think management will benefit more by fixing first year pay/training issues and don’t think it’s necessary for us to meddle in it. IF they want to keep giving people type ratings for them to leave to United within a year then let them because that’s exactly what’s starting to happen. I cannot believe how many I’ve talked to recently that have CJOs or upcoming interviews with UAL, DL, AA, FedEx, the list goes on… That training isn’t cheap and they'll fix the problem when they’re no longer getting a return on investment. But as far as uniforms, etc, I personally prefer cash money in my pocket and a decent per diem so I can buy my own crap. Unless they’re giving us Brooks Brothers uniforms, they can keep the company supplied trash. That goes for HPI, M&H, and all the other garbage uniform manufacturers out there lol. That’s it. I’m not saying any more about it. Let the Union deal with it in private when the time comes.

Fah2

Not today Bendo!