Cyio

I wish they would spread that flying to LAS and the red eye flying to other bases. Not sure why they can’t make things fairly equal around the system.

Halon1211

they purposefully put it in the pairing optimizer to torture the Las Vegas-based pilots instead of trying to find the most efficient schedule to save the company the most money.

(Sarcasm)

PossibleDeviation

Is the payscale on APC accurate? When is the current contract set to expire?

Fah2

It’s in the ball park, there are four “date of signing” pay bumps and the 4th of them will be coming up in a few month in March. At that point we will be at the top of the negotiated pay scale. I haven’t cross checked them, but first year will top out at $61.15

symbian simian

March 2023. Yes 1st year FO pay ($61) and training pay ($1500/month) bad...

March 1st 2022 pay goes to (including 321 override):

2yr FO $116
6yr FO $145

4yr cap $223
12yr cap $265

add 15% DC for the 401k

doubles

Reading through this thread, it’s almost two years old now.

Any significant changes to report on the flexibility of Spirit schedules? It seems like a real highlight of the contract that you can drop and re-make so freely. Has their been any pressure on the green trips - i.e. more red trips? Is the 75% green to start the month across all bases? Are some bases more green than others?

Just looking for honest insight on if this flexibility is real as soon as you’re a line holder and/or any gotchas where it hasn’t really been the case. Thx

Poppachubby

No changes per say. I guess you could say right now you can pretty much drop anything you want at anytime (except holidays) since we're presently pretty fat. Not sure if you understand the system exactly. Try not to look at the trips as being red or green. Its more about reserve coverage for particular days. If "minimum" reserve coverage for a particular day is adequate (based off historical data i believe), the day will show as green. So if you have a trip you want to drop, as long as every day of the trip are green days, you can drop it. If even one of the days of say a four day trip touches a red day......you cant drop it. Red and green days can change throughout the month. Say min reserve coverage for a particular day was 12 pilots yet there are 13 open trips for that day. It will show as red. All it would take is one pilot to pick up one of those open trips and the day will turn green since now reserve coverage will be adequate. Presently we are so fat that even thanksgiving day was green at the beginning of the month! Presently the only days red are the (3) days surrounding thanksgiving. So aside of those days, I could drop the rest of my month if i'd like. Quality of life is most important to me. Cant imagine a better place to work based on that alone. Not sure what you mean by "gotchas". Is a pretty straight forward system.

Excargodog

The only thing some people might perceive as a ‘gotcha’ would be reserve. The contractual requirement for 75% Green Day’s does drive a somewhat higher percentage of people on reserve compared to other contracts. It is a system designed to benefit line holders and justified because everyone eventually will be a line holder.

All FOs will go through it although you can then opt not to upgrade until you are senior enough to hold a line in the base upgrade vacancy you are bidding for. Last I checked NK had about 200 FOs senior to the junior CA, either because they didn’t want to switch to a junior base to upgrade or didn’t want to upgrade at all until they could do so without being on reserve.

If you are going to commute rather than live in base it is a consideration, perhaps even a ‘gotcha’ for some people. But the ability to have the QOL NK has as a line holder and readily drop trips sort of makes it a necessity. If you are going to drop it, SOMEONE will have to fly it.

Cyio

Agreed, I will not be upgrading and doing this reserve system again. I will wait it out until I know I can hold a line somewhere.

MCDUmanipulator

still don’t get why people think ours is so much worse then anywhere else though. Reserve sucks anywhere especially for a commuter