New Flows
07-09-2019, 07:25 PM
#11
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Not sure what most of this means... but you are aware that AOM2 specifically has us set gain to +4 for TO, right? (Except for those tail #s that specify +8....)
07-09-2019, 07:56 PM
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Setting a +4 or +8 for takeoff makes sense to get a inclusive shot of the weather out there, but flying around with it?
My understanding was a long time ago it was policy the gain be +4 for the flight, which is why so many leave it at +4, not because guys are doing it specially for take off, or +8, and then adjusting in the air.
In the end, who cares. It was a joke about guys doing the same flows and calls outs from 20 years ago. Just like turning the tubes down doesn’t save them from burn in.
07-09-2019, 08:29 PM
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That then begs the question of why we needed to change from the straight Airbus flows to the oddity we currently employ? Oh I forgot, only captains are qualified to operate lights and fuel pumps...
07-09-2019, 11:31 PM
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Sorry, but I am only qualified to turn the pump on, if they need to be off we will need someone else.
07-10-2019, 02:48 AM
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Is that why planes are parked with a +4 gain? Because they had it on for take off and never changed it?
Setting a +4 or +8 for takeoff makes sense to get a inclusive shot of the weather out there, but flying around with it?
My understanding was a long time ago it was policy the gain be +4 for the flight, which is why so many leave it at +4, not because guys are doing it specially for take off, or +8, and then adjusting in the air.
In the end, who cares. It was a joke about guys doing the same flows and calls outs from 20 years ago. Just like turning the tubes down doesn’t save them from burn in.
Setting a +4 or +8 for takeoff makes sense to get a inclusive shot of the weather out there, but flying around with it?
My understanding was a long time ago it was policy the gain be +4 for the flight, which is why so many leave it at +4, not because guys are doing it specially for take off, or +8, and then adjusting in the air.
In the end, who cares. It was a joke about guys doing the same flows and calls outs from 20 years ago. Just like turning the tubes down doesn’t save them from burn in.
I’ll take that as a “no...”
07-10-2019, 04:01 AM
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You can “take it” any way you please.
A proximity scan for take off has nothing to do with being “required” to maintain a specific gain setting for flight. But I get it, you have been here a while and must be one of those who likes flying around in cruise at +8. Makes everything look super scary. Happy deviating.
A proximity scan for take off has nothing to do with being “required” to maintain a specific gain setting for flight. But I get it, you have been here a while and must be one of those who likes flying around in cruise at +8. Makes everything look super scary. Happy deviating.
07-10-2019, 04:29 AM
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You can “take it” any way you please.
A proximity scan for take off has nothing to do with being “required” to maintain a specific gain setting for flight. But I get it, you have been here a while and must be one of those who likes flying around in cruise at +8. Makes everything look super scary. Happy deviating.
A proximity scan for take off has nothing to do with being “required” to maintain a specific gain setting for flight. But I get it, you have been here a while and must be one of those who likes flying around in cruise at +8. Makes everything look super scary. Happy deviating.
Jeez....
I found it ironic that you made a crack about following SOP, when it sounded like you didn’t quite actually know the SOP- SO I ASKED- a VERY simple “yes or no” question....
Which, by the way, you stil haven’t really answered... Very telling.
I never said ANYTHING about being required to maintain any setting for flight- I said TO- and the book is very clear... you know- “SOP...”
And no- I don’t regularly fly around with it set at +8, but I do occasionally find it to be a very useful tool...
07-10-2019, 05:54 AM
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Wow guys. If were going to argue about SOP, know the SOP! The AOM defines the tails that are supposed to to GAIN +4 and GAIN +8 and the ALTITUDES associated with them. (+4 below FL200 or +8 below 15,000 depending on the tail). Seeing those gains at the gate doesn't mean that they were their the whole flight, only that they were there below the appropriate altitude, which IS SOP!
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