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Old 04-11-2019, 10:33 AM
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Who makes these disgusting uncommutable lines and trips? What part does the company do and what part, if any, is the union responsible for? It will all change soon with PBS but I'm just curious who I should hate for the time being.
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Old 04-11-2019, 10:47 AM
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I’d hate to break it to you if you think it’s going to change with pbs...what is uncommutable are the pairings not the lines themselves..it’s the same pairings going into the pbs system, just the distribution of the pairings will be done by pbs...
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Are they under an requirement to make commutable lines? Honest question. My guess would be not particularly.
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:03 AM
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Sadly, they are probably not required to make any commutable pairings. Must have been too many other priorities when negotiating like giving away transition conflict.
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Originally Posted by XSive
I’d hate to break it to you if you think it’s going to change with pbs...what is uncommutable are the pairings not the lines themselves..it’s the same pairings going into the pbs system, just the distribution of the pairings will be done by pbs...
I'm sure this is true.
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Originally Posted by XSive
I’d hate to break it to you if you think it’s going to change with pbs...what is uncommutable are the pairings not the lines themselves..it’s the same pairings going into the pbs system, just the distribution of the pairings will be done by pbs...
Yeah but the new rigs will help with this problem. Trips will either be commutable and lower credit or uncommutable and higher credit meaning you will have do work less days to credit the same. An uncommutable 4 day under the new rigs should pay at least 24-25 hours so you’d only need to do 3 of them which reduces the sting of commuting on days off a bit. Also with PBS you’ll be able to customize your line to your needs (assuming you have the seniority to hold it) which usually works out better for commuters than pre-built lines with half commutable trips that you have to go try and fix in IOT/DOT. I’m sitting about 50% and the lines I was getting with the PBS mock bids far exceed anything I’ve ever gotten here with traditional line bidding.
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Yeah but the new rigs will help with this problem. Trips will either be commutable and lower credit or uncommutable and higher credit meaning you will have do work less days to credit the same. An uncommutable 4 day under the new rigs should pay at least 24-25 hours so you’d only need to do 3 of them which reduces the sting of commuting on days off a bit. Also with PBS you’ll be able to customize your line to your needs (assuming you have the seniority to hold it) which usually works out better for commuters than pre-built lines with half commutable trips that you have to go try and fix in IOT/DOT. I’m sitting about 50% and the lines I was getting with the PBS mock bids far exceed anything I’ve ever gotten here with traditional line bidding.
Exactly.

Dot, dot, dot.
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Originally Posted by beech_nut
Who makes these disgusting uncommutable lines and trips? What part does the company do and what part, if any, is the union responsible for? It will all change soon with PBS but I'm just curious who I should hate for the time being.
Entitled much?
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Entitled much?
Does wanting one or two commutable lines out of near 100 make me entitled? If so, I guess I am. I bet you're a blast to fly with on a 4 day.

I am entitled to use the ignore feature, as are you.
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Originally Posted by beech_nut
Does wanting one or two commutable lines out of near 100 make me entitled? If so, I guess I am. I bet you're a blast to fly with on a 4 day.

I am entitled to use the ignore feature, as are you.
Sounds like you have anger issues. I think you are the one that’s a “blast” to fly with.


Let me ask a question. Is it on our contract that they have to do that??? If not, go pound sand!!!

I demand that the company make a line where every trip only has a 11AM show time so I can sleep in. I demand that I only fly one leg a day and I demand that every layover is next to a beach in some tropical location.
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