Is Spirit properly staffed for this summer
03-29-2019, 07:20 PM
#71
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PBS by default solves the transition conflict issue the company was having. Where we got bent over / out negotiated is when we agreed to give them the current transition conflict bandaid we have right now before getting our new rigs and duty day.
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I'm aware that the Spirit history books are full of boats named "Transition Conflict" and unfortunately (for the pilots) this lucrative source of income has been eliminated. Preferential bidding has been enacted as well as trip & duty rigs, among other contract provisions.
When I click on the Spirit airline profile, it shows all the new details, such as PBS, 12 days off /month, the 3.5:1 and 2:1 rigs, etc. Are you saying that some parts of the contract are valid and others not? For instance PBS is active but the rigs are not?
tl;dr Explain for someone if they were to start at Spirit come Monday morning what they would expect.
Thank you for the useful gouge.
03-31-2019, 11:59 AM
#73
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Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 69
2nd year pay question, every company seems to do it differently:
For Spirit:
Say it takes 3 months to get done with everything, including IOE.
Is the pay anniversary from DOH or that moment?
In other words, would it be:
3 months of 750 + $1000
9 months of 1st year pay
Begin 2nd year pay after 12 months total on property?
Or
3 months of 750 + $1000
12 full months of 1st year pay
Begin 2nd year pay 12 months after ioe?
Thanks
03-31-2019, 02:59 PM
#75
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 242
As an outsider looking in & trying to have a solid grasp of the current state of affairs of the contract, may I ask you to simplify this for me?
I'm aware that the Spirit history books are full of boats named "Transition Conflict" and unfortunately (for the pilots) this lucrative source of income has been eliminated. Preferential bidding has been enacted as well as trip & duty rigs, among other contract provisions.
When I click on the Spirit airline profile, it shows all the new details, such as PBS, 12 days off /month, the 3.5:1 and 2:1 rigs, etc. Are you saying that some parts of the contract are valid and others not? For instance PBS is active but the rigs are not?
tl;dr Explain for someone if they were to start at Spirit come Monday morning what they would expect.
Thank you for the useful gouge.
I'm aware that the Spirit history books are full of boats named "Transition Conflict" and unfortunately (for the pilots) this lucrative source of income has been eliminated. Preferential bidding has been enacted as well as trip & duty rigs, among other contract provisions.
When I click on the Spirit airline profile, it shows all the new details, such as PBS, 12 days off /month, the 3.5:1 and 2:1 rigs, etc. Are you saying that some parts of the contract are valid and others not? For instance PBS is active but the rigs are not?
tl;dr Explain for someone if they were to start at Spirit come Monday morning what they would expect.
Thank you for the useful gouge.
03-31-2019, 03:35 PM
#76
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 162
The rigs do not go live until PBS is live. We are still doing mock bids and there is some disagreement between Alpa and the company on how rigs are paid. It should go to expedited arbitration but there is another disagreement on whether rigs count as an expedited arbitration per the pbs agreement. So that's where we are right now. PBS live is stalled, no rigs yet.
03-31-2019, 07:55 PM
#78
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
And the only reason they wouldn’t want expedited arbitration which was previously agreed to is because they want to stall and don’t think they’ll win. If they thought they would win wouldn’t they just want to go to expedited arbitration and be done with it. All airline management likes to stall in negotiations but this group is something special. they fight us on the most trivial things even outside of negotiations just to have months waiting for arbitration only to lose or usually just give in the day before the arbitration so they don’t have the loss on their record when we have to mediate in section 6. Saving millions along the way.
No interest in building good will whatsoever.
No interest in building good will whatsoever.
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