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Old 02-09-2019, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver02ex
The full reverse to probably to keep the brake temp down for the next crew. I assume you wait until every pax gets off with the APU running, or make sure the ground air is hooked up and working before you leave right?
Not if you’re hitting brakes hard anyway to make the first exit. Brake temp isn’t an issue anyway unless it’s vegas in the summer. We never really used full reverse unless it was summer for brake temp, short, or contaminated. Somewhere along the way culturally (contract negotiations maybe) we all started using full reverse every landing and rattling the bins off the ceiling. Hey I don’t care how people want to use reverse so to each his own. Fly it your way. I was just saying that not using the A/C couldn’t be for fuel savings if using full reverse to exit on the first turn on a long ass runway.

And yes I run A/C until either external is hooked up or we are down to the last quarter of the airplane left to deplane. If it’s cold outside yes I just split right away and leave the it on GPU only.
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Old 02-09-2019, 12:10 PM
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Why is your DH in the back of the plane? DH on spirit should be booked at the time it’s put on your schedule. They are to be window or isle at front of the plane. Also 24 hours prior you are to be given big front seat of available. Also emergency exit if flight is over 3 (?) hours...
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The seat assigned will be a window or aisle seat if avail- able at the time of the assignment or, if such seats are not available, the seat assigned will be as far forward as possible. This priority does not include the big front seats or emergency exit row seats, but includes, subject to the requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act, the row of seats immediately behind the big front seats. Only seats that have already been purchased and assigned to revenue passengers or occupied by a senior manager or above traveling positive space will be considered un- available.


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Deadheading pilots will be upgraded at the gate to premium seats that remain available (big front seats and exit-row seats [window/aisle, middle], in that order). Seating assignments shall be made in first-come, first-serve order when two or more pilots are deadheading on that flight.

Regardless of me how about care for our guests and FAs in the back
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Old 02-09-2019, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Not if you’re hitting brakes hard anyway to make the first exit. Brake temp isn’t an issue anyway unless it’s vegas in the summer. We never really used full reverse unless it was summer for brake temp, short, or contaminated. Somewhere along the way culturally (contract negotiations maybe) we all started using full reverse every landing and rattling the bins off the ceiling. Hey I don’t care how people want to use reverse so to each his own. Fly it your way. I was just saying that not using the A/C couldn’t be for fuel savings if using full reverse to exit on the first turn on a long ass runway.

And yes I run A/C until either external is hooked up or we are down to the last quarter of the airplane left to deplane. If it’s cold outside yes I just split right away and leave the it on GPU only.
Encouraging people not to use full reverse, real smart. I use full reverse every single time. Enjoy explaining to the FAA why you didn’t use full reverse and went off the end of the runway because the “overhead bins rattle”.
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Old 02-09-2019, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Encouraging people not to use full reverse, real smart. I use full reverse every single time. Enjoy explaining to the FAA why you didn’t use full reverse and went off the end of the runway because the “overhead bins rattle”.
Hmmm... I didn't realize you had to use full reverse. Those aerodata numbers must be crap.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Encouraging people not to use full reverse, real smart. I use full reverse every single time. Enjoy explaining to the FAA why you didn’t use full reverse and went off the end of the runway because the “overhead bins rattle”.
1: aerodata numbers don't give you reverse benefit unless you specifically ask for it and more importantly:


2: autobrake system makes it so whether or not the reverses are idle max or OFF , the stopping distance is the SAME.

I get what you're saying but you're showing a lack of systems knowledge with that argument
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Encouraging people not to use full reverse, real smart. I use full reverse every single time. Enjoy explaining to the FAA why you didn’t use full reverse and went off the end of the runway because the “overhead bins rattle”.
Dumb post. My first 7 years here, no one used max reverse. Yep it’s needed on a 12,000 foot runway. 🤦🏻*♂️
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
1: aerodata numbers don't give you reverse benefit unless you specifically ask for it and more importantly:


2: autobrake system makes it so whether or not the reverses are idle max or OFF , the stopping distance is the SAME.

I get what you're saying but you're showing a lack of systems knowledge with that argument
I understand how the auto brakes work thank you. All I'm saying is the day someone goes off the end of a runway because they are hell bent on using only idle because the "overhead bins rattle" then land long, one of the FAA's first questions will be "did you use reverse?" Enjoy explaining that to them and one conversations i'd rather avoid all together.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
I understand how the auto brakes work thank you. All I'm saying is the day someone goes off the end of a runway because they are hell bent on using only idle because the "overhead bins rattle" then land long, one of the FAA's first questions will be "did you use reverse?" Enjoy explaining that to them and one conversations i'd rather avoid all together.
I think you're reaching here. Maybe I should stand on the brakes every time. You never know... I'd hate to have to explain why I didn't someday. While I'm at it, I should only use TOGA thrust on takeoff.
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
I understand how the auto brakes work thank you. All I'm saying is the day someone goes off the end of a runway because they are hell bent on using only idle because the "overhead bins rattle" then land long, one of the FAA's first questions will be "did you use reverse?" Enjoy explaining that to them and one conversations i'd rather avoid all together.
I present a weak argument with another:

Did you land with autobrake med? Or did you apply max braking power as soon as the mains touched down?

No? Oh, well why not.


See how baseless the argument is? We're not over here slamming landings carrier style with full brakes.
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Originally Posted by elmetal
I present a weak argument with another:

Did you land with autobrake med? Or did you apply max braking power as soon as the mains touched down?

No? Oh, well why not.


See how baseless the argument is? We're not over here slamming landings carrier style with full brakes.
No need to get your panties all in a bunch and no we use brakes every time to get off the runway anyway and with this airplane as we know the most stopping power comes from full manual brakes. Do we ever use that? No, I hope not at least. But regardless we do use the brakes. I used to work at a part 142 facility and dealt with feds all the time and this once came up which is why I thought I would chime in from their perspective is all. I recalled an AC from about 10 years back that was actually issued because this was so prominent and runway overruns were becoming more common. After searching I actually found it AC 91-79. - " (4) Thrust reversers, if installed, are also most effective at high speeds and should be deployed as soon as possible after touchdown." Everyone is in charge of their own ship, I just thought the "overhead bins rattle" argument was not a good one. And with full reverse you save the brakes for the next guy
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