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Old 02-13-2018, 04:56 PM
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97.4%, actually...
68.4% of statistics are made up
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:05 AM
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Can ALPA leadership see the current vote total real time?
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:17 AM
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Can ALPA leadership see the current vote total real time?


They will say no, but I have an interesting anecdote. We voted on concessions at XJT 2007ish. It was a straight 3% drop. The vote started and halfway though they came to us and changed the terms and roll out of the deal. It would now phase in over 12 months. I always assumed they could see the original measure was getting killed in the vote. I have no proof though.
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:31 AM
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They will say no, but I have an interesting anecdote. We voted on concessions at XJT 2007ish. It was a straight 3% drop. The vote started and halfway though they came to us and changed the terms and roll out of the deal. It would now phase in over 12 months. I always assumed they could see the original measure was getting killed in the vote. I have no proof though.
Another conspiracy theory - Sometimes I question myself about the type of people this profession attracts.

No they cant see it.
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The votes are recorded, but not counted until the end of the voting period. It is in the disclaimer on the voting website. A 3rd party company that does the vote stuff for alpa...

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Old 02-14-2018, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Three
They will say no, but I have an interesting anecdote. We voted on concessions at XJT 2007ish. It was a straight 3% drop. The vote started and halfway though they came to us and changed the terms and roll out of the deal. It would now phase in over 12 months. I always assumed they could see the original measure was getting killed in the vote. I have no proof though.
It was actually 2008, and no they didn’t change the terms durning the vote, they changed them before the vote started. What did happened was when the vote closed on XY day they said that somehow the votes did not register, so they did a re-vote over a two week period. The turnout was low, and that is where the conspiracy theories came is saying that it probably had failed, and ALPA wanted it to pass so they through out the votes knowing the turnout would be lower with a re-vote. I did not buy into the conspiracy theory.
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Originally Posted by Dukeuno
It was actually 2008, and no they didn’t change the terms durning the vote, they changed them before the vote started. What did happened was when the vote closed on XY day they said that somehow the votes did not register, so they did a re-vote over a two week period. The turnout was low, and that is where the conspiracy theories came is saying that it probably had failed, and ALPA wanted it to pass so they through out the votes knowing the turnout would be lower with a re-vote. I did not buy into the conspiracy theory.
I also remember it being 9% not 3%. I also remember the vote being conveniently after 340+ were just furloughed instead of having the vote before so they could participate. It was a long time ago though so memory is fading.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:48 AM
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I also remember it being 9% not 3%. I also remember the vote being conveniently after 340+ were just furloughed instead of having the vote before so they could participate. It was a long time ago though so memory is fading.
I remember a few of those guys landing on their feet and going over to compass. A few are DAL CAs now. Funny how some things work out
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I remember a few of those guys landing on their feet and going over to compass. A few are DAL CAs now. Funny how some things work out
Yep. Those that took the preferential (sure thing) compass interview made out well. Hind sight is 20/20. Wasn’t it offered to everyone not just furloughs? One of my major and few regrets in this career.
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