astral

Currently there are options for those who chose to credit 100+ hrs to do so within the CBA.
It's a choice some make, while others fly a more "traditional" schedule and enjoy the benefits of their choice.
This TA reduces CHOICE.
QOL will be severely diminished and flexibility drastically reduced or eliminated (REServe drops)
RES coverage requirements language refers to the "experience" of the company. If we trust that, green will turn red by DOT.

The opportunity to earn more, (while helping the nice folks at CS) with the addition of numerous options of 200% flying is a win win.

Why agree to:
ridiculously vague rescheduling language
the elimination of RES drops?
LTD at 5K
slower advancement (PBS)
No strong scope

BTW my "retro" is less than 5 months pay, which is 1/6th of full retro (30 months)
I did not enjoy that slap, and will not run back for more.

Qotsaautopilot

I hear you but at least be factual. LTD is a max of $15k with the own occupation coverage til 65 which was the main goal. The other airlines pay premiums too. Delta does contribute their DC to your retirement on LTD which is a big deal.

astral

It's 5K unless you pay to upgrade, factual.
I appreciate you adding that note, not the factual comment.
Even with a 15K LTD this TA is a sell out, due to numerous other concessions...

Qotsaautopilot

So you pay to upgrade and do it happily. This is not unreasonable. What’s unreasonable is not having own occupation LTD like we do now. I’m a no vote but it’s not because of LTD. LTD is what we wanted.

Green Giant

I am starting to wonder about the vague language. Long call reserve can be switched to short call. Dead head may be upgraded to big front seat if there is availability, if the company puts a sleep room in the crew room, ........... not real solid language on many sections.

UNSUBSCRIBE

LC is 4x a month and if they convert you and you are used for a 4 day that eats up the 4. I very well could be wrong but thats what I took from call to NC. Great roadshow question to confirm

NKSpilot

A lot of the vague stuff like the Dh seats, is vague because its freebie items that are nice things to have. Not really a reason to vote no IMO.

I cant see complaining abut long call reserve rules when it is something we dont even have right now.

LTD premiums are standard.

As far as retro, nobody ever gets “full” retro. This was explained on one of the conference calls. If you are expecting full retro you will never get what you want.

I think they said full retro at other airlines could mean (examples):
1) 10% retro pay back fully to amendable date - full retro
2) 100% full pay back 6 months - full retro

Dont think we can drag this out another year and get 3-4 years of back pay and have that be your reasoning to justify all the continueing pay loss for a No vote because it will not happen.

If we all had to pull out our wallets every day and hand over a few hundred dollar bills to Bendo I wonder if that would make this lost money seem more real.

FLYBOYMATTHEW

If you had to start showing up at the airport 3-4 days/month more tomorrow, would this TA start to feel more real?

UNSUBSCRIBE

Well what did you expect??

Its negotiations. Give & take. More money, more problems

Dont you listen to P Diddy?

Macjet

I don't see endless threads about the compensation or even real concern for such. What I do see are a lot of pilots worried about the language, rescheduling, no rigs for up to a year with no transition, loss of drops, etc that appear will have a largely negative effect on our lives. I don't expect to ever get 'back pay' but I do expect to maintain the same, more or less, QOL as I have now for such rates. If we give these things up now we will never regain them.

I was making the same argument and was even defending the TA based upon the bullet points. When the TA was released it should have been just a matter of reading it and confirming the yes that I had already decided upon. But reading the actual TA was like a bad joke. Substandard pay and regional work rules. Thanks, but no thanks. Section 1 scared the hell out of me and half way through Section 25 I was done and a decided no.