NO Vote Reality?!
02-10-2018, 06:29 PM
#141
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 312
STOP AND THINK
For those who have "vote this thing in and start the clock again for next negotiations" as a reason to vote yes, stop and think. You are rushing to vote in a contract in order to start the clock for a next contract? What?!?!? A contract is open NOW for a chance to get a better contract NOW, why put it off for 7 more years?. Leave the future for the future, as everyone on here says, "no one knows what the future holds".
No need to rush into what you'll experience for the next 7 yrs. Ensure you are getting the best contract now so when the clock starts again you have 7yrs of decent QOL and pay and not needing to even worry about when the next contract will come. It's gonna be either:
1) You guys sitting comfy and in no rush to ratify another contract in 2025 or
2) Management sitting comfy when they get all the concessions they need from this TA therefore having all the reason to drag out a next negotiation in the future.
The choice is yours Today
If you think mgmt wont drag out another contract negotiation again, then you deserve to be bamboozled.
PS. Sorry for posting this on multiple forums, its just stupid to have that as a reason.
For those who have "vote this thing in and start the clock again for next negotiations" as a reason to vote yes, stop and think. You are rushing to vote in a contract in order to start the clock for a next contract? What?!?!? A contract is open NOW for a chance to get a better contract NOW, why put it off for 7 more years?. Leave the future for the future, as everyone on here says, "no one knows what the future holds".
No need to rush into what you'll experience for the next 7 yrs. Ensure you are getting the best contract now so when the clock starts again you have 7yrs of decent QOL and pay and not needing to even worry about when the next contract will come. It's gonna be either:
1) You guys sitting comfy and in no rush to ratify another contract in 2025 or
2) Management sitting comfy when they get all the concessions they need from this TA therefore having all the reason to drag out a next negotiation in the future.
The choice is yours Today
If you think mgmt wont drag out another contract negotiation again, then you deserve to be bamboozled.
PS. Sorry for posting this on multiple forums, its just stupid to have that as a reason.
02-10-2018, 08:01 PM
#142
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,345
Seriously, is that a priority in this abomination of a TA, the long stay hotels?
We are getting robbed of ALL our work rules, where we sleep for 14 -18 hrs is the least of our worries.
Or maybe not, since we are all going to be working so much harder and longer...
When CS makes us sit at the aerodrome for up to 117 FDP limits, reducing our rest and layover time, which hotel will we go to, long or short?
Hilarious!
We are getting robbed of ALL our work rules, where we sleep for 14 -18 hrs is the least of our worries.
Or maybe not, since we are all going to be working so much harder and longer...
When CS makes us sit at the aerodrome for up to 117 FDP limits, reducing our rest and layover time, which hotel will we go to, long or short?
Hilarious!
02-10-2018, 08:21 PM
#143
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 723
STOP AND THINK
For those who have "vote this thing in and start the clock again for next negotiations" as a reason to vote yes, stop and think. You are rushing to vote in a contract in order to start the clock for a next contract? What?!?!? A contract is open NOW for a chance to get a better contract NOW, why put it off for 7 more years?. Leave the future for the future, as everyone on here says, "no one knows what the future holds".
No need to rush into what you'll experience for the next 7 yrs. Ensure you are getting the best contract now so when the clock starts again you have 7yrs of decent QOL and pay and not needing to even worry about when the next contract will come. It's gonna be either:
1) You guys sitting comfy and in no rush to ratify another contract in 2025 or
2) Management sitting comfy when they get all the concessions they need from this TA therefore having all the reason to drag out a next negotiation in the future.
The choice is yours Today
If you think mgmt wont drag out another contract negotiation again, then you deserve to be bamboozled.
PS. Sorry for posting this on multiple forums, its just stupid to have that as a reason.
For those who have "vote this thing in and start the clock again for next negotiations" as a reason to vote yes, stop and think. You are rushing to vote in a contract in order to start the clock for a next contract? What?!?!? A contract is open NOW for a chance to get a better contract NOW, why put it off for 7 more years?. Leave the future for the future, as everyone on here says, "no one knows what the future holds".
No need to rush into what you'll experience for the next 7 yrs. Ensure you are getting the best contract now so when the clock starts again you have 7yrs of decent QOL and pay and not needing to even worry about when the next contract will come. It's gonna be either:
1) You guys sitting comfy and in no rush to ratify another contract in 2025 or
2) Management sitting comfy when they get all the concessions they need from this TA therefore having all the reason to drag out a next negotiation in the future.
The choice is yours Today
If you think mgmt wont drag out another contract negotiation again, then you deserve to be bamboozled.
PS. Sorry for posting this on multiple forums, its just stupid to have that as a reason.
5 years plus the 3 years it will take to get another one, if we're lucky, is over 1/3 of the career I have left. How is that "resetting the clock?" More like the company "Running out the clock" on me.
02-11-2018, 07:34 AM
#144
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Position: Yellow bus
Posts: 175
The thing is this isn’t going to fail. No way 750 guys vote no. Too many risks for small reward for most. And unfortunately for me I still agree with that.
If it was going to fail it needed to fail 80/20 or 90/10. Will never happen. The worst thing that could happen is it fails 51/49.
Way I see it is we’re all in this together. If the company thinks this contract is going to create some Kumbaya atmosphere they’re idiots. Take what the contract gives you, work it to the best of your ability and I still won’t be doing any favors and I’m guessing 2 engine taxis etc.... are still gonna be the norm. It’s still the WIFM program for me.
They are too stupid to understand what profit sharing can do to employees motivation for efficiency.
If it was going to fail it needed to fail 80/20 or 90/10. Will never happen. The worst thing that could happen is it fails 51/49.
Way I see it is we’re all in this together. If the company thinks this contract is going to create some Kumbaya atmosphere they’re idiots. Take what the contract gives you, work it to the best of your ability and I still won’t be doing any favors and I’m guessing 2 engine taxis etc.... are still gonna be the norm. It’s still the WIFM program for me.
They are too stupid to understand what profit sharing can do to employees motivation for efficiency.
02-11-2018, 08:00 AM
#145
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Office Chair
Posts: 637
I don't necessarily agree that failing 51/49 is a failure. Majority still rules. If it's that close, polish it up and get it back out for a vote with the critical items fixed. I'd rather wait a little longer now than have it affect the next 5-20+ years of our careers.
02-11-2018, 08:02 AM
#146
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Position: Yellow bus
Posts: 175
I don't necessarily agree that failing 51/49 is a failure. Majority still rules. If it's that close, polish it up and get it back out for a vote with the critical items fixed. I'd rather wait a little longer now than have it affect the next 5-20+ years of our careers.
02-11-2018, 10:08 AM
#149
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 312
you're the one who is bamboozled. the only reason you have a ta to vote on is because the company is motivated to lock one in. go ahead, vote yes and sell yourself short, i choose not to be undervalued..
let your lanyard be your guide------DISCOUNT FARES, NOT DISCOUNT PILOTS
let your lanyard be your guide------DISCOUNT FARES, NOT DISCOUNT PILOTS
02-11-2018, 10:11 AM
#150
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 532
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