Lincoln Osiris

You converted a university eh?

NKSpilot

How do you figure Jetblue makes this now? Our TA has higher rates than what I can see on APC posted for JB. Especially when you include the 321 override.

As far a negotiating a me too clause, any me too clause is highly unlikely to be agreed upon (nonstarter from management) because it makes their cost increase an unlimited risk. United is certainly the exception to the norm. As has been said, you can negotiate for anything but you need to get them to agree to it, thats the hard part.

Of course we all WANT more but it doesnt matter what we want, reality is what it is. Denying reality will get us nowhere. Nobody wants to say this during negotiations. We have to puff ourselves up for the fight and at least act like we are in a position of power. That time is gone and passed. Now we need to do what is best for us considering where we are now.

Ed Force One

Ask anyone who came from a regional (myself included) how they were abused by IROP, SWAP, whatever it was called. Ask how a storm in Newark allowed them to hold everyone in Houston at the airport for 4 hours after release.

That is Contract abuse at its finest.

Hopefully enough of our pilot group has had experience with this in the past and can recognize this new language for what it is... essentially a blank check for the company.

Judge Smails

That 321 override will be diluted as we add more 320's or whatever else the company plans on ordering in the future. It's based on block hour ratio and we're done getting 321's by the end of March.

Qotsaautopilot

The money is just one of the poor aspects. My no is based on scope and that’s it. It’s certainly better than current but still ripe for exploitation and I was to renegotiate it now not later. Simple as that

Lakeaffect

Look at all the longevity rates for FO and Capt. most of our TAs are better but a few Jetblue current rates are better, either way it’s very similar, except in the top longevities on captain side. Then factor in Jetblue has profit sharing and better rigs that we don’t get until PBS, plus redeye overide.

Nacho Libre

F9 guy here. We are really behind you guys and gals here at Spirit the treatment we all receive from our employers is probably very similar. Who knows we may even be married in the future? Anyone know which airlines went to PBS during a time that they weren’t having to give concessions? Ie bankruptcy or recession or terror related? Not trying to rain on anyone here at NK but if you plan on trying to make a career out of Spirit I would think you would vote No. if you are bailing as soon as possible I can see you building your bank account with a Yes and saying not really my problem. However if somehow you were stuck at Spirit would you be just as happy voting yes? I get the risks in a No I truly do, (we have a similar decision to make coming up also... no idea when though) but with all the Scheduling mess, and scope language holes, (look at the forking we are getting already with Volaris) if I were an FO there I would know that a yes just makes my FO tenure stretch even farther down the road. As a CA you might be far enough along the seniority list that starting over would just not pay off either and you just sold your Scheduling flexibility away for your entire career. If you were able to retain say 3/4 of your work rules those rates may have been a good deal, but with weak protections and crappy regional Scheduling rules maybe a No vote although costing you bucks now might be worth it to have a work life balance that you and your family will appreciate the remainder of your career.

If I have offended anyone that was never my intention. The decisions you make today may affect the rest of your career.

Qotsaautopilot

I’m not in favor of the TA but we did say we would agree to pbs to get a deal done.

If any FO wants to take a little money and leave I hope they would think about those of us that are probably staying and realize that call to leave may never actually come for them. Selling your soul never makes sense

NKSpilot

If I were Spirit management
How happy I would be
If this TA got voted down
And extended a year or three.

SourGrapes

predicktion-----reverse the yes/no percentages and that will the vote outcome