This thing is a NO!
02-03-2018, 04:16 AM
#81
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
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I'm not defending anything. I am just using logic instead of emotion and coming on here crying saying this thing is garbage without giving much specifics. It's like none of you guys have ever read any of the other major airline pilot contracts before. This stuff was not just magically pulled out of a hat from rainbows.
I'll be going to the road show for sure, but at first look, this is horrible.
02-03-2018, 04:16 AM
#82
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Worse than legacy work rules? That’s simply not true. Name one legacy that has to make 75% of the month “green” so pilots can drop trips at will? Keeping that is a huge win and as part of the big picture, the TA really isn’t that bad, compared to the legacies.
It just seem drastic because you’ve had it really good in the scheduling flexibility department compared to everyone else for so long.
Didn’t buy the work rules you say? So they took back the 40%+ raise in pay rates? Stop being dramatic.
Again, I hope this get voted down, I really really wanna see what happens after that.
It just seem drastic because you’ve had it really good in the scheduling flexibility department compared to everyone else for so long.
Didn’t buy the work rules you say? So they took back the 40%+ raise in pay rates? Stop being dramatic.
Again, I hope this get voted down, I really really wanna see what happens after that.
02-03-2018, 04:26 AM
#83
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The hotel language is crap too. I maybe the minority , we have lots of slam clickers here, but 16 hours at DEN, ATL, BOS short overnights? umm no thanks. Hampton INN el segundo anyone? I actually don't mind a little drive to be near stuff, and stay at nicer hotels.. Not a deal breaker as a stand alone, but just one more little chip away at the current job I enjoy. Ive switched to a NO. It may seal our fate for a long while, current pay for a looooooong time. No boat for me this year.
02-03-2018, 04:30 AM
#84
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The hotel language is crap too. I maybe the minority , we have lots of slam clickers here, but 16 hours at DEN, ATL, BOS short overnights? umm no thanks. Hampton INN el segundo anyone? I actually don't mind a little drive to be near stuff, and stay at nicer hotels.. Not a deal breaker as a stand alone, but just one more little chip away at the current job I enjoy. Ive switched to a NO. It may seal our fate for a long while, current pay for a looooooong time. No boat for me this year.
I was thinking this same thing. This, and many other things are putting me solid in the no camp. I’ve also changed my mind. The MEC and negotiating committee should resign when this gets voted down. I can’t imagine a world where the survey results said anything close to this
02-03-2018, 04:40 AM
#86
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For me, I don’t know yet. What I will say is if you had judged the iPad loa from this site, you would have said it would never pass. It did pass. By like 70 percent or so if I remember right. I’ll tell you one thing, if you go by the wives Facebook page, according to my wife, it’s already passed. I wouldn’t guess many here are married though.
02-03-2018, 04:46 AM
#87
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For me, I don’t know yet. What I will say is if you had judged the iPad loa from this site, you would have said it would never pass. It did pass. By like 70 percent or so if I remember right. I’ll tell you one thing, if you go by the wives Facebook page, according to my wife, it’s already passed. I wouldn’t guess many here are married though.
02-03-2018, 04:51 AM
#88
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For me, I don’t know yet. What I will say is if you had judged the iPad loa from this site, you would have said it would never pass. It did pass. By like 70 percent or so if I remember right. I’ll tell you one thing, if you go by the wives Facebook page, according to my wife, it’s already passed. I wouldn’t guess many here are married though.
Go read through Allegiants APC post when theirs TA’d...you would think it would have failed miserably. It’s safe to say the same 15-25 APC warriors don’t represent the pilot group as a whole...and I don’t say that to be a d**k. Personally, I still have some reading to do before I can make my decision.
02-03-2018, 04:53 AM
#90
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I was thinking this same thing. This, and many other things are putting me solid in the no camp. I’ve also changed my mind. The MEC and negotiating committee should resign when this gets voted down. I can’t imagine a world where the survey results said anything close to this
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