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02-03-2018, 03:22 AM

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Lincoln Osiris

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Originally Posted by nkbux

I’m in shock... I’ll be honest I was a hard yes but promised myself I would read the fine print... very disappointed. A solid NO from me... let it take more than six months, these idiots can’t hang on that long.

Hang on to what? lol

02-03-2018, 03:23 AM

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Hang on to what? lol

Good point

02-03-2018, 03:26 AM

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Good point

no seriously lol i'm confused

02-03-2018, 03:38 AM

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I was referring to the companies increasing staffing and retention issues... they’re problem not ours...this thing is insulting

02-03-2018, 03:42 AM

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I was referring to the companies increasing staffing and retention issues... they’re problem not ours...this thing is insulting

I did not know the company had a pilot staffing issue this is news to me lol. As long as there are first year regional FO's with no flow to a real airline, we will have applicants.

02-03-2018, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nkbux

By all means. Vote No. I mean it, but please go to the Road show and voice your concerns etc. I dont say that so they “sell” you on it, just so you get all questions answered etc

02-03-2018, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

Not trying to sell this turd by any means, thats ALPA's job. But worse than legacy work rules? Seriously? A bit dramatic aren't we? Have you even read any other legacies pilot contract before?

Then stop defending this horrible T/A.

02-03-2018, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NKSMCOTAKEOVER

Then stop defending this horrible T/A.

I'm not defending anything. I am just using logic instead of emotion and coming on here crying saying this thing is garbage without giving much specifics. It's like none of you guys have ever read any of the other major airline pilot contracts before. This stuff was not just magically pulled out of a hat from rainbows.

02-03-2018, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

Worse than legacy work rules. Worse compensation.

Weak scope. They didn’t even attempt to buy the gutting of work rules. We expected concessions but this is a blood bath.

Worse than legacy work rules? That’s simply not true. Name one legacy that has to make 75% of the month “green” so pilots can drop trips at will? Keeping that is a huge win and as part of the big picture, the TA really isn’t that bad, compared to the legacies.

It just seem drastic because you’ve had it really good in the scheduling flexibility department compared to everyone else for so long.

Didn’t buy the work rules you say? So they took back the 40%+ raise in pay rates? Stop being dramatic.

Again, I hope this get voted down, I really really wanna see what happens after that.

02-03-2018, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

This TA presents
Weaker scope than this group wanted to see
Pay rates consistently 25-40 an hour less than where they should be for what's in section 25
A gut of 25. Tx2 gone day one. Still trip averaging and we wait for the 5 hours for pbs.
Reserve will be punishment now. No drops. Waiting around like a hostage in the summer while scheduling desperately tries to find you something to extend you on.

The list goes on and on. No thanks. Not the way I want to spend the next 6-8 years of my life