Ed Force One

Then I guess it's a good thing we haven't merged with anyone yet, now isn't it?

Lincoln Osiris

I mean (and I'm not trying to be a jerk I just can't remember) have we ever picketed on a company premise??? Which we should remember does not mean a public street outside of hq.

DrJekyll MrHyde

That is quite the little Easter egg. Any kind of work action (which now apparently includes informational picketing on your days off), and POOF, your section 1 is essentially gone. I’ve never seen anything like it.

Lincoln Osiris

Except during our previous contract? And it says picketing on THE COMPANY PREMISE. Not picketing at all, that would be dumb. Everyone chill and actually read entire sentences lol.

Deathwish

And should be reading the TA with the current contract next to it.

Feng

Well, I guess it’ll come down to whether you want the raise or not. Most of the stuff I see y’all complaining about, the legacies have it in one form or another, maybe the wording just need to be cleaned up a bit. It seems like 95% of it is industry standard practice and 5% is possibly worse. It seems to me that the current Spirit contract is written more for an 20 airplane charter outfit than for a large airline operation. This just streamline it to what an large airline needs to run its operation. Like someone else said, everyone on here was saying Spirit work rules is no better than anywhere else, now that the TA takes it away, what say you now?

With all that said, I hope this gets voted down. I’m really curious to see how this plays out. Wonder if they’ll give out an 100K new hire bonus. 30K first year, 30K second, 40K third.

I expect the theme of the union presentation/teleconference will be “yeah section...paragraph..is bad/worse than what we had...but it’s actually what UA/DAL/AA...etc have...blah blah blah.

Qotsaautopilot

Worse than legacy work rules. Worse compensation.

Weak scope. They didn’t even attempt to buy the gutting of work rules. We expected concessions but this is a blood bath.

Lincoln Osiris

Not trying to sell this turd by any means, thats ALPA's job. But worse than legacy work rules? Seriously? A bit dramatic aren't we? Have you even read any other legacies pilot contract before?

OpenClimb

When the Company or the union points to an isolated provision that appears in some Legacy contract, my answer would be “Fine. Let’s just adopt the entire contract.”

Of course they won’t go for that because—as so many so self-righteously point out—a contract is a package of benefits and burdens. Management loves to pull the worst parts out of a whole bunch of contracts while ignoring the fact that adopting the contract in its entirety would cost them waaay more than they are proposing.

This isn’t the menu at some Chinese restaurant. If management wants PBS because they claim it’s industry standard, then they also need to be OK with the industry standard terms that protect against the potential abuses of PBS. 5:15 min day. 3.5 to 1 trip rig. Minimum vacation credit, etc.

Qotsaautopilot

Dramatic? Nope and read them, yes.

United, Delta, and southwest have better as a body of work. Jetblue probably too. Alaska is worse than this. AA on par

AA got industry leading compensation for their regional work rules at DOS.

They lost me at section 1 anyway