This thing is a NO!
02-02-2018, 07:51 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Airplanes
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02-02-2018, 08:04 PM
#33
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 20
I liked the highlights, and thought the pros far outweighed the cons. I was really optimistic. Then I saw the TA. We're going from industry leading work rules and sub-industry standard wages. to sub-industry standard everything. No reserve drops. Rescheduling language that is completely beneficial to the company. Lose transition as we know it before PBS is even implemented. No iron-clad scope language regarding codesharing, a ratification bonus that only benefits people who have been CA's for the majority of the amendable time. Long stay hotels only at 18 hours, LTD still only provides $5,000/month unless you buy up, lord knows how much that may cost. For crying out loud, there's reschedule language that includes what happens if you don't get back to base within two days of your original release time AND having to sit at the airport instead of proceeding to the hotel just in case they need you. YGBFSM.
Long call sounded good, until I read that you're on call round the clock. LCR at my regional was only a 14 hour RAP.
We didn't get 100% of even one section that we needed. The company got everything they wanted.
Long call sounded good, until I read that you're on call round the clock. LCR at my regional was only a 14 hour RAP.
We didn't get 100% of even one section that we needed. The company got everything they wanted.
Nailed it!!!
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02-02-2018, 08:06 PM
#34
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 20
Back to the regionals. Shoot the regional I left had way better work rules then this turd.
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02-02-2018, 08:28 PM
#35
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: Piloto
Posts: 323
I liked the highlights, and thought the pros far outweighed the cons. I was really optimistic. Then I saw the TA. We're going from industry leading work rules and sub-industry standard wages. to sub-industry standard everything. No reserve drops. Rescheduling language that is completely beneficial to the company. Lose transition as we know it before PBS is even implemented. No iron-clad scope language regarding codesharing, a ratification bonus that only benefits people who have been CA's for the majority of the amendable time. Long stay hotels only at 18 hours, LTD still only provides $5,000/month unless you buy up, lord knows how much that may cost. For crying out loud, there's reschedule language that includes what happens if you don't get back to base within two days of your original release time AND having to sit at the airport instead of proceeding to the hotel just in case they need you. YGBFSM.
Long call sounded good, until I read that you're on call round the clock. LCR at my regional was only a 14 hour RAP.
We didn't get 100% of even one section that we needed. The company got everything they wanted.
Long call sounded good, until I read that you're on call round the clock. LCR at my regional was only a 14 hour RAP.
We didn't get 100% of even one section that we needed. The company got everything they wanted.
02-02-2018, 08:39 PM
#37
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
With 117 You rest before you work. United is 24hr LC aswell.
EX:
You get in from a transcon and immediately go back on LC. 2 hrs later you are called and released to rest for a trip starting 10hrs later....or whatever time is contractually allowed.
Congress felt this was better than letting pilots rest once returning from a trip
EX:
You get in from a transcon and immediately go back on LC. 2 hrs later you are called and released to rest for a trip starting 10hrs later....or whatever time is contractually allowed.
Congress felt this was better than letting pilots rest once returning from a trip
02-02-2018, 08:40 PM
#38
captain scarlet
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: Who needs to know?
Posts: 170
THANK YOU people!
All this time I felt outnumbered.
I don't even know where to start, most major give aways have been mentioned.
Section 25 might as well not be there.
Rescheduling language?
No reserve drops!
Scope?
LTD?!
My 2 cents is that the NC put this out to prove something to the mediator.
There is no way they would approve of this and I do not think they will resign, WHEN it does NOT pass.
This is SHOCKING
Strength in unity!
All this time I felt outnumbered.
I don't even know where to start, most major give aways have been mentioned.
Section 25 might as well not be there.
Rescheduling language?
No reserve drops!
Scope?
LTD?!
My 2 cents is that the NC put this out to prove something to the mediator.
There is no way they would approve of this and I do not think they will resign, WHEN it does NOT pass.
This is SHOCKING
Strength in unity!
02-02-2018, 08:42 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
With 117 You rest before you work. United is 24hr LC aswell.
EX:
You get in from a transcon and immediately go back on LC. 2 hrs later you are called and released to rest for a trip starting 10hrs later....or whatever time is contractually allowed.
Congress felt this was better than letting pilots rest once returning from a trip
EX:
You get in from a transcon and immediately go back on LC. 2 hrs later you are called and released to rest for a trip starting 10hrs later....or whatever time is contractually allowed.
Congress felt this was better than letting pilots rest once returning from a trip
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