This thing is a NO!
02-06-2018, 04:57 AM
#221
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I was told that changing the hotel overnight threshold was unscientifically what the pilot group wanted (drive length being a top complaint) and that it equates to about $10milion savings (per year if I was told correctly). This is what I was told over a year ago. So the pilots wanted it and it saved the company a ton of money so the question was what were we going to get in return to share in those savings. What did we get?
I have no problem with the threshold changing personally. But I understand that’s not everyone. I hate the drives and tend to get nauseous in traffic. I want a nice hotel with a place to have a real meal to spend my whopping per diem. I’m not on vacation. Southwest doesn’t have long hotels and they don’t stay at dumps.
I have no problem with the threshold changing personally. But I understand that’s not everyone. I hate the drives and tend to get nauseous in traffic. I want a nice hotel with a place to have a real meal to spend my whopping per diem. I’m not on vacation. Southwest doesn’t have long hotels and they don’t stay at dumps.
02-06-2018, 05:32 AM
#223
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
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Instead we have litterally the industry bottom block or better language just to nickel and dime us, a retirement plan I was willing accept but the 15vs16% again just to stick it to us, no profit sharing for the Scheduling help, industry low pay, and a Scope section that says I already have a plan in place or I’m leaving some things open for the day I can figure out how to replace most or all of you. At some point a signing bonus and a pay raise isn’t enough and I’d rather let them try and “figure things out” this summer while they keep trying to attract 23yr old kids with 2000hrs that can’t figure out how to get through training or even figure out a decent point without putting it in the box.
02-06-2018, 05:48 AM
#224
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This thing is a NO!
I was told that changing the hotel overnight threshold was unscientifically what the pilot group wanted (drive length being a top complaint) and that it equates to about $10milion savings (per year if I was told correctly). This is what I was told over a year ago. So the pilots wanted it and it saved the company a ton of money so the question was what were we going to get in return to share in those savings. What did we get?
I have no problem with the threshold changing personally. But I understand that’s not everyone. I hate the drives and tend to get nauseous in traffic. I want a nice hotel with a place to have a real meal to spend my whopping per diem. I’m not on vacation. Southwest doesn’t have long hotels and they don’t stay at dumps.
I have no problem with the threshold changing personally. But I understand that’s not everyone. I hate the drives and tend to get nauseous in traffic. I want a nice hotel with a place to have a real meal to spend my whopping per diem. I’m not on vacation. Southwest doesn’t have long hotels and they don’t stay at dumps.
Don’t we only have a few “long drives?”
IAH, terrible drive. LAX same, but they could spend the same money at Manhattan Beach which is super close to the airport.
What others are so long of drives people complain? DFW is one.
Also, wonders why ALPA cant issue a famous poll to see if this is indeed true a majority of people hated the drives. 8pm to Long Beach takes 20 min, ok with me.
Thanks for the insight
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02-06-2018, 06:25 AM
#225
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I was told that changing the hotel overnight threshold was unscientifically what the pilot group wanted (drive length being a top complaint) and that it equates to about $10milion savings (per year if I was told correctly). This is what I was told over a year ago. So the pilots wanted it and it saved the company a ton of money so the question was what were we going to get in return to share in those savings. What did we get?
I have no problem with the threshold changing personally. But I understand that’s not everyone. I hate the drives and tend to get nauseous in traffic. I want a nice hotel with a place to have a real meal to spend my whopping per diem. I’m not on vacation. Southwest doesn’t have long hotels and they don’t stay at dumps.
I have no problem with the threshold changing personally. But I understand that’s not everyone. I hate the drives and tend to get nauseous in traffic. I want a nice hotel with a place to have a real meal to spend my whopping per diem. I’m not on vacation. Southwest doesn’t have long hotels and they don’t stay at dumps.
I’m with you on this one. And I think it’s 18 hours block in to block out and not an 18 hour layover that triggers the long call.
02-06-2018, 07:44 AM
#226
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Position: A320 CA
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I understand I'm being a bit hypocritical. I've been vocal about how 15 hours is too short. Now I'm being vocal about how 18 hours is too long.
I've said in the past that I think 17 hours would be the sweet spot. So who knows? Is 1 hour going to change anything? Maybe. But when I read Section 25, I read it like how I believe the Company will read it. And I don't like it one bit. I stand by my prediction that I made in post #212. I hope I'm wrong.
02-06-2018, 01:44 PM
#227
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True. You can currently go to the Galleria in IAH with 13:45 of Section 2 defined rest. Knock off an hour getting there, and the 1:15 prior that the van time is scheduled for, and you're down to effectively a 11.5 hour overnight.
I understand I'm being a bit hypocritical. I've been vocal about how 15 hours is too short. Now I'm being vocal about how 18 hours is too long.
I've said in the past that I think 17 hours would be the sweet spot. So who knows? Is 1 hour going to change anything? Maybe. But when I read Section 25, I read it like how I believe the Company will read it. And I don't like it one bit. I stand by my prediction that I made in post #212. I hope I'm wrong.
I understand I'm being a bit hypocritical. I've been vocal about how 15 hours is too short. Now I'm being vocal about how 18 hours is too long.
I've said in the past that I think 17 hours would be the sweet spot. So who knows? Is 1 hour going to change anything? Maybe. But when I read Section 25, I read it like how I believe the Company will read it. And I don't like it one bit. I stand by my prediction that I made in post #212. I hope I'm wrong.
This porridge is too hot, this porridge is to cold, but this porridge is just right.
Goldilocks want a 17 hour overnight.
02-06-2018, 01:47 PM
#228
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Big time. Think of the money they spend on Supershuttles alone. HUGE cost savings to the Company.
My tin foil hat theory: If this passes, the majority of our overnights will change to fit the 18 hour criteria, and our duty days will get longer. Not more productive. Credit hours will remain the same, but 2-3 hour sits at the outstations will increase in order to keep the overnights short.
My tin foil hat theory: If this passes, the majority of our overnights will change to fit the 18 hour criteria, and our duty days will get longer. Not more productive. Credit hours will remain the same, but 2-3 hour sits at the outstations will increase in order to keep the overnights short.
Oh wait. With the PBS MOU, the union has joint control in PBS, including joint pairing construction. Which we don't have now. So the union is going to be helping to create these scenarios?
How so?
02-06-2018, 06:10 PM
#229
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Because when the Company wants something, the Company gets it. That's how so.
That's how after 3 years of negotiations, we have this sub-par, Industry Lagging TA presented to us, full of relief to the Co.
What gains does this TA have that *WE* want? Industry standard Long Term Disability. Four days off, Sick Bank, and Health Insurance all remain status quo. (a positive, but not a gain.)
Any other gains (Scope, Pay Rates, Direct Contribution) are so far below Industry Standard that I don't consider them a win.
But yes, as I said in post #226, I'm totally guilty of flip-flopping on one single issue, short vs long hotel language. So sue me.
That's how after 3 years of negotiations, we have this sub-par, Industry Lagging TA presented to us, full of relief to the Co.
What gains does this TA have that *WE* want? Industry standard Long Term Disability. Four days off, Sick Bank, and Health Insurance all remain status quo. (a positive, but not a gain.)
Any other gains (Scope, Pay Rates, Direct Contribution) are so far below Industry Standard that I don't consider them a win.
But yes, as I said in post #226, I'm totally guilty of flip-flopping on one single issue, short vs long hotel language. So sue me.
02-06-2018, 06:16 PM
#230
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Because when the Company wants something, the Company gets it. That's how so.
That's how after 3 years of negotiations, we have this sub-par, Industry Lagging TA presented to us, full of relief to the Co.
What gains does this TA have that *WE* want? Industry standard Long Term Disability. Four days off, Sick Bank, and Health Insurance all remain status quo. (a positive, but not a gain.)
Any other gains (Scope, Pay Rates, Direct Contribution) are so far below Industry Standard that I don't consider them a win.
But yes, as I said in post #226, I'm totally guilty of flip-flopping on one single issue, short vs long hotel language. So sue me.
That's how after 3 years of negotiations, we have this sub-par, Industry Lagging TA presented to us, full of relief to the Co.
What gains does this TA have that *WE* want? Industry standard Long Term Disability. Four days off, Sick Bank, and Health Insurance all remain status quo. (a positive, but not a gain.)
Any other gains (Scope, Pay Rates, Direct Contribution) are so far below Industry Standard that I don't consider them a win.
But yes, as I said in post #226, I'm totally guilty of flip-flopping on one single issue, short vs long hotel language. So sue me.
And what is the reason why a child has to make their bed? Because "Im the parent and I say so?"
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