This thing is a NO!
02-03-2018, 05:11 PM
#131
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Yes there is and it’s full of wives that have no idea what work rules are or even what industry standard compensation is. Scope also a foreign term there. From my wife: it’s starting to shift more no than yes she says. I’ve never seen the page myself just going on what she tells me
They only seem to know what their paychecks are and what they might be from the TA. How that paycheck gets made is mostly a mystery and that paycheck stopping all together one day because of a scope hole not a concept they care to know
They only seem to know what their paychecks are and what they might be from the TA. How that paycheck gets made is mostly a mystery and that paycheck stopping all together one day because of a scope hole not a concept they care to know
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02-03-2018, 05:27 PM
#132
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I know you were responding to someone else but I’ll chime in. NO!
Current scope is a ticking time bomb imo and this is almost as bad.
Taking sub standard compensation work rule concessions were contingent on locking this down to protect our futures. It did not do this and the work rule concessions were greater than expected. NO DEAL!
Current scope is a ticking time bomb imo and this is almost as bad.
Taking sub standard compensation work rule concessions were contingent on locking this down to protect our futures. It did not do this and the work rule concessions were greater than expected. NO DEAL!
02-03-2018, 05:40 PM
#133
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I know you were responding to someone else but I’ll chime in. NO!
Current scope is a ticking time bomb imo and this is almost as bad.
Taking sub standard compensation work rule concessions were contingent on locking this down to protect our futures. It did not do this and the work rule concessions were greater than expected. NO DEAL!
Current scope is a ticking time bomb imo and this is almost as bad.
Taking sub standard compensation work rule concessions were contingent on locking this down to protect our futures. It did not do this and the work rule concessions were greater than expected. NO DEAL!
02-03-2018, 05:56 PM
#135
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Yes there is and it’s full of wives that have no idea what work rules are or even what industry standard compensation is. Scope also a foreign term there. From my wife: it’s starting to shift more no than yes she says. I’ve never seen the page myself just going on what she tells me
They only seem to know what their paychecks are and what they might be from the TA. How that paycheck gets made is mostly a mystery and that paycheck stopping all together one day because of a scope hole not a concept they care to know
They only seem to know what their paychecks are and what they might be from the TA. How that paycheck gets made is mostly a mystery and that paycheck stopping all together one day because of a scope hole not a concept they care to know
02-03-2018, 06:54 PM
#136
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This vote is going to come down to money. Nothing else matters. Of course it does matter...a lot! But everyone will look at the calculations and make a decision, not based on weather you can drop a R day or being held captive at the airport, essentially on airport reserve waiting to get “rescheduled”, but for the money lost vs gained. For example, if they keep you at the airport for even 1 minute, you get 2 hours of pay over guarantee whether they reschedule you or not. For captains, that’s around $400 over guarantee. Money vs inconvenience. Everyone has an opinion on that and we are not all of the same.
If this gets voted down, we will lose so much money every 6 months without a contract it makes one’s head spin. Many reasonable people with a lot of negotiations experience feel this could take at least a year, maybe more.
It doesn’t matter what you believe. It only matters what the majority believes. I only say that because we individuals are not in control. As I stated in another post, we are a collective and we will be subjected to the decision of the simple majority.
Many things about this pile of ****** TA upsets me beyond words. I have never read a more poorly worded document in my 30 year career. But my fear is that if it gets voted down, especially by a thin margin, any gains we MIGHT get will not compensate for the amount of money we will lose if this takes another 6 months and only gets exponentially worse every month, thereafter.
My wish is this. Either we ratify this TA so we can get to work banking some real cash increases...Or it gets defeated by at least a 70% margin. Anything else will be a disasster.
If this gets voted down, we will lose so much money every 6 months without a contract it makes one’s head spin. Many reasonable people with a lot of negotiations experience feel this could take at least a year, maybe more.
It doesn’t matter what you believe. It only matters what the majority believes. I only say that because we individuals are not in control. As I stated in another post, we are a collective and we will be subjected to the decision of the simple majority.
Many things about this pile of ****** TA upsets me beyond words. I have never read a more poorly worded document in my 30 year career. But my fear is that if it gets voted down, especially by a thin margin, any gains we MIGHT get will not compensate for the amount of money we will lose if this takes another 6 months and only gets exponentially worse every month, thereafter.
My wish is this. Either we ratify this TA so we can get to work banking some real cash increases...Or it gets defeated by at least a 70% margin. Anything else will be a disasster.
02-03-2018, 07:29 PM
#137
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This vote is going to come down to money. Nothing else matters. Of course it does matter...a lot! But everyone will look at the calculations and make a decision, not based on weather you can drop a R day or being held captive at the airport, essentially on airport reserve waiting to get “rescheduled”, but for the money lost vs gained. For example, if they keep you at the airport for even 1 minute, you get 2 hours of pay over guarantee whether they reschedule you or not. For captains, that’s around $400 over guarantee. Money vs inconvenience. Everyone has an opinion on that and we are not all of the same.
If this gets voted down, we will lose so much money every 6 months without a contract it makes one’s head spin. Many reasonable people with a lot of negotiations experience feel this could take at least a year, maybe more.
It doesn’t matter what you believe. It only matters what the majority believes. I only say that because we individuals are not in control. As I stated in another post, we are a collective and we will be subjected to the decision of the simple majority.
Many things about this pile of ****** TA upsets me beyond words. I have never read a more poorly worded document in my 30 year career. But my fear is that if it gets voted down, especially by a thin margin, any gains we MIGHT get will not compensate for the amount of money we will lose if this takes another 6 months and only gets exponentially worse every month, thereafter.
My wish is this. Either we ratify this TA so we can get to work banking some real cash increases...Or it gets defeated by at least a 70% margin. Anything else will be a disasster.
If this gets voted down, we will lose so much money every 6 months without a contract it makes one’s head spin. Many reasonable people with a lot of negotiations experience feel this could take at least a year, maybe more.
It doesn’t matter what you believe. It only matters what the majority believes. I only say that because we individuals are not in control. As I stated in another post, we are a collective and we will be subjected to the decision of the simple majority.
Many things about this pile of ****** TA upsets me beyond words. I have never read a more poorly worded document in my 30 year career. But my fear is that if it gets voted down, especially by a thin margin, any gains we MIGHT get will not compensate for the amount of money we will lose if this takes another 6 months and only gets exponentially worse every month, thereafter.
My wish is this. Either we ratify this TA so we can get to work banking some real cash increases...Or it gets defeated by at least a 70% margin. Anything else will be a disasster.
We aren’t even getting block or better on a leg by leg basis. I mean, really?
02-03-2018, 08:20 PM
#138
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This vote is going to come down to money. Nothing else matters. Of course it does matter...a lot! But everyone will look at the calculations and make a decision, not based on weather you can drop a R day or being held captive at the airport, essentially on airport reserve waiting to get “rescheduled”, but for the money lost vs gained. For example, if they keep you at the airport for even 1 minute, you get 2 hours of pay over guarantee whether they reschedule you or not. For captains, that’s around $400 over guarantee. Money vs inconvenience. Everyone has an opinion on that and we are not all of the same.
If this gets voted down, we will lose so much money every 6 months without a contract it makes one’s head spin. Many reasonable people with a lot of negotiations experience feel this could take at least a year, maybe more.
It doesn’t matter what you believe. It only matters what the majority believes. I only say that because we individuals are not in control. As I stated in another post, we are a collective and we will be subjected to the decision of the simple majority.
Many things about this pile of ****** TA upsets me beyond words. I have never read a more poorly worded document in my 30 year career. But my fear is that if it gets voted down, especially by a thin margin, any gains we MIGHT get will not compensate for the amount of money we will lose if this takes another 6 months and only gets exponentially worse every month, thereafter.
My wish is this. Either we ratify this TA so we can get to work banking some real cash increases...Or it gets defeated by at least a 70% margin. Anything else will be a disasster.
If this gets voted down, we will lose so much money every 6 months without a contract it makes one’s head spin. Many reasonable people with a lot of negotiations experience feel this could take at least a year, maybe more.
It doesn’t matter what you believe. It only matters what the majority believes. I only say that because we individuals are not in control. As I stated in another post, we are a collective and we will be subjected to the decision of the simple majority.
Many things about this pile of ****** TA upsets me beyond words. I have never read a more poorly worded document in my 30 year career. But my fear is that if it gets voted down, especially by a thin margin, any gains we MIGHT get will not compensate for the amount of money we will lose if this takes another 6 months and only gets exponentially worse every month, thereafter.
My wish is this. Either we ratify this TA so we can get to work banking some real cash increases...Or it gets defeated by at least a 70% margin. Anything else will be a disasster.
02-03-2018, 09:05 PM
#139
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We will never, ever get back money lost if we turn this down. However, we will also never, ever get back any of our work rules if we vote this in. I am willing to wait, for work rules and scope, versus hiking up the skirt and wrecking the rest of my 28 career at this company. This is a make or break TA for NK pilots. We will either gain a career TA or we will solidify ourselves as the regional of narrow bodies and forever fuel the revolving door.
Now if they merge us while we are at the table getting that better scope we’ve got some problems to deal with
02-03-2018, 09:49 PM
#140
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Position: Airbus
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