Section 3: Compensation
02-03-2018, 09:32 AM
#73
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I believe that this was one of the concessions FORCED on NWA in their last BK contract. I wasn't around for the United "Summer of Love", but I was around (in a FFD mosquito jet) for the NWA BOB action that came from this clause. After a season of the slowest taxiing imaginable and nothing but block-or-better flight times, management realized their gross mistake and resumed block-or-better on a leg-by-leg basis.
As a fellow ALPA pilot also involved in contentious contract negotiations, I can only plead: please don't accept this. This kind of BS will hurt everyone below the big 4.
I wish you guys and gals the best. I'm not in your shoes, so I can't judge properly, but this really does not look like the best.
As a fellow ALPA pilot also involved in contentious contract negotiations, I can only plead: please don't accept this. This kind of BS will hurt everyone below the big 4.
I wish you guys and gals the best. I'm not in your shoes, so I can't judge properly, but this really does not look like the best.
Doesn’t pass the smell test does it
02-03-2018, 01:13 PM
#74
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I’m trying to see if this is a contradiction in the proposed TA
From A.1(f) of the Fatigue letter of agreement
From section 3.C.5
The fatigue LOA prohibits compensation as an incentive for extending past a FDP limit, but section 3 is offering 2 hours above guarantee to extend past a FDP limit. Not only that, you are now required to provide a reason for being fatigued? Or provide a reason for refusal to extend? What reason are we being forced to provide?
From A.1(f) of the Fatigue letter of agreement
(f) A crewmember who is scheduled to finish an assignment beyond the limits of FAR 117 FDP limitations, and who does not agree to an extension of any kind beyond the FDP limit, must provide a reason. The pilot and crew scheduler, in the interest of safety, are prohibited from offering and/or accepting any form of incentive for extending beyond FDP limits.
5. Flight Duty Period (FDP) Extension Pay
A pilot who is fit for duty and who accepts any FDP extension will be paid two (2) hours of pay above guarantee at 100%. Such pilot must be available for the full two hours permitted under the FARs in order to receive the additional pay under this provision. So long as the pilot does not subsequently declare himself unfit for duty, such pilot will receive the FDP extension pay. The pilot will receive the extension pay if the flight cancels after the extension is accepted.
A pilot who is fit for duty and who accepts any FDP extension will be paid two (2) hours of pay above guarantee at 100%. Such pilot must be available for the full two hours permitted under the FARs in order to receive the additional pay under this provision. So long as the pilot does not subsequently declare himself unfit for duty, such pilot will receive the FDP extension pay. The pilot will receive the extension pay if the flight cancels after the extension is accepted.
02-03-2018, 01:36 PM
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I’m trying to see if this is a contradiction in the proposed TA
From A.1(f) of the Fatigue letter of agreement
From section 3.C.5
The fatigue LOA prohibits compensation as an incentive for extending past a FDP limit, but section 3 is offering 2 hours above guarantee to extend past a FDP limit. Not only that, you are now required to provide a reason for being fatigued? Or provide a reason for refusal to extend? What reason are we being forced to provide?
From A.1(f) of the Fatigue letter of agreement
From section 3.C.5
The fatigue LOA prohibits compensation as an incentive for extending past a FDP limit, but section 3 is offering 2 hours above guarantee to extend past a FDP limit. Not only that, you are now required to provide a reason for being fatigued? Or provide a reason for refusal to extend? What reason are we being forced to provide?
I don't like the idea of incentiving to continue, seems unsafe and could end up biting you.
02-03-2018, 02:10 PM
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AFAIK ual has incentive pay for extension. I think it’s ok, provided you can refuse an extension without having to call in fatigued, and without having to provide a reason for extension over 30 minutes. To me it’s premium pay to make me work when I wasn’t planning, but if I’m too tired, I’m too tired....
02-03-2018, 02:12 PM
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I’m trying to see if this is a contradiction in the proposed TA
From A.1(f) of the Fatigue letter of agreement
From section 3.C.5
The fatigue LOA prohibits compensation as an incentive for extending past a FDP limit, but section 3 is offering 2 hours above guarantee to extend past a FDP limit. Not only that, you are now required to provide a reason for being fatigued? Or provide a reason for refusal to extend? What reason are we being forced to provide?
From A.1(f) of the Fatigue letter of agreement
From section 3.C.5
The fatigue LOA prohibits compensation as an incentive for extending past a FDP limit, but section 3 is offering 2 hours above guarantee to extend past a FDP limit. Not only that, you are now required to provide a reason for being fatigued? Or provide a reason for refusal to extend? What reason are we being forced to provide?
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