Section 3: Compensation
02-07-2018, 04:11 AM
#122
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The outcome of our arbitration was much worse than any of us thought possible, including our MEC, otherwise we wouldn't have agreed to it to begin with. We were all pretty disappointed, mostly in terms of scope. Pay and DC are pretty darn close but could be better, no other sections were opened and no more will be till 2020 for us. With 2020 being so close, that's my guess as to why they agreed to arbitration at all. Our contract still brought the industry up significantly as a whole, and although many of us were frustrated at the outcome, we are thankful for our hardworking reps and their dedication to our combined pilot group. We will not make the arbitration mistake in 2020 and we will be more unified than ever.
That said...If we are supposedly the floor as you put it...then where does this current contract put you guys if voted in, the basement? Why settle for any less than ALK achieved? Why take large scheduling concessions? The huge QOL hit? Why give up PBS without getting something SUBSTANTIAL in return? Why settle for anything? The point is, in this job market with cheap gas, a strong economy and lots of options for us as pilots...you simply don't need to.
There's no reason you should be able to make more your first year at a regional than at a major. Ever. That's not how it's supposed to work. Do you disagree? If not, how can you vote yes?
That said...If we are supposedly the floor as you put it...then where does this current contract put you guys if voted in, the basement? Why settle for any less than ALK achieved? Why take large scheduling concessions? The huge QOL hit? Why give up PBS without getting something SUBSTANTIAL in return? Why settle for anything? The point is, in this job market with cheap gas, a strong economy and lots of options for us as pilots...you simply don't need to.
There's no reason you should be able to make more your first year at a regional than at a major. Ever. That's not how it's supposed to work. Do you disagree? If not, how can you vote yes?
02-07-2018, 04:49 AM
#123
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You guys got hosed by the arbitrator, it sucks! It also sucks for us and JetBlue. The arbitrators award, which is precedent setting and referable under the RLA basically cemented AK at the bottom of the legacy carriers and created a ceiling for Spirit/JetBlue/F9. I'd be surprised to see JetBlue top AK's rates.
So for any Alaska guy or JB guy to come on here and bash this TA is LAUGHABLE.
02-07-2018, 06:05 AM
#124
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We would have easily achieved ALASKAS rates if we gave up 4-days off and conceded our healthcare to something on par to JetBlues. Give up 4-days off, healthcare and have ZERO scope like Alaska and we would have easily surpased ALASKAS “rates”.
So for any Alaska guy or JB guy to come on here and bash this TA is LAUGHABLE.
So for any Alaska guy or JB guy to come on here and bash this TA is LAUGHABLE.
What the Alaska arbitration did was convince the NMB that for some reason the value of the contract should be related to the size of the carrier. It’s insanity.
02-07-2018, 06:08 AM
#125
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I was referring to combination of that and 4-days off, but to play devils advocate they still have line bidding (not TXR pay) so maybe not that valuable to them.
02-07-2018, 07:47 AM
#126
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Your day-off value ~ $700 - $ 1,100
Anyone actually know what an average Alaska pilot is paying for their medical insurance? I bet it’s much less than you’re willing to give up
02-07-2018, 08:47 AM
#127
Turd Ferguson
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I'm still trying to digest these payscales. That alone has me strongly leaning NO. I know we aren't going to get what the "Big Boys" are getting at AA/UAL, but to be $40-$55 dollars off, flying more seats than them, is just selling ourselves short. If we were say $20, $30 below them, that would be more "industry standard" but the gap with this scales in this TA are just too great.
But it seems that train has left the station as most of who I talk to seem to just accept that is the best we will get....
Haters hate away.....
But it seems that train has left the station as most of who I talk to seem to just accept that is the best we will get....
Haters hate away.....
02-07-2018, 09:20 AM
#130
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