We Got a T/A!!
02-02-2018, 10:01 PM
#114
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Position: Pilot
Posts: 21
Some issues to consider besides the many valid points floating around this site and others. Keep finding and posting the shortfalls and hidden “gems” like the one at the bottom I saw online?
1) 70% short of full retro (in the example I used)
2) vacation – explain the way vacation drops work with 2 days on each side?
3) Lower pay compared to ALL airlines in same category that have received new contracts (Jet Blue and Frontier excluded because they are in negotiations).
4) PBS blows and you have no idea what you will get even if you are a senior guy.
5) 5 hours per day Trip average – Not 5 hours per day
6) Long stay changing from 14 hours to 18 hours – puts us in worse hotels
7) Five year contract vs a four year contract. No extension, raises or a guarantee of raises or retro pay.
8) Hotel buyback is at company discretion. Does this mean they can take it away at their discretion?
9) Company can reassign at any time?
10) Not a window or aisle seat guaranteed on deadheads.
11) No Profit sharing
12) Pay for smaller planes? Will we fly them?
13) Stopped reading TA because of the headache is was causing.
Etc. ETC. eTc. EtC. etc………..
Good catch from someone on another thread --- and keep catching these types of items - - - - - -
page 1. Specifically 1-B-3
And if it's allowed, here's a repost of what I wrote in the "Section 1" thread:
1-D-g and 1-E-6
Protections lost in case of "Circumstance beyond the Company's control"
Now read in Section 2, "Definitions"
2-BE: "Circumstance Beyond The Company's Control" Includes Labor Dispute, Strike or PICKETING OF ANY OF THE COMPANY'S PREMISES
All scope is lost if we so much as stage a harmless picket!
IMO, this is a hidden gotcha. We may read the phrase "Circumstances...." in the Scope language, but are we reading the definitions just as carefully as the Scope, Scheduling, Vacations, etc?
1) 70% short of full retro (in the example I used)
2) vacation – explain the way vacation drops work with 2 days on each side?
3) Lower pay compared to ALL airlines in same category that have received new contracts (Jet Blue and Frontier excluded because they are in negotiations).
4) PBS blows and you have no idea what you will get even if you are a senior guy.
5) 5 hours per day Trip average – Not 5 hours per day
6) Long stay changing from 14 hours to 18 hours – puts us in worse hotels
7) Five year contract vs a four year contract. No extension, raises or a guarantee of raises or retro pay.
8) Hotel buyback is at company discretion. Does this mean they can take it away at their discretion?
9) Company can reassign at any time?
10) Not a window or aisle seat guaranteed on deadheads.
11) No Profit sharing
12) Pay for smaller planes? Will we fly them?
13) Stopped reading TA because of the headache is was causing.
Etc. ETC. eTc. EtC. etc………..
Good catch from someone on another thread --- and keep catching these types of items - - - - - -
page 1. Specifically 1-B-3
And if it's allowed, here's a repost of what I wrote in the "Section 1" thread:
1-D-g and 1-E-6
Protections lost in case of "Circumstance beyond the Company's control"
Now read in Section 2, "Definitions"
2-BE: "Circumstance Beyond The Company's Control" Includes Labor Dispute, Strike or PICKETING OF ANY OF THE COMPANY'S PREMISES
All scope is lost if we so much as stage a harmless picket!
IMO, this is a hidden gotcha. We may read the phrase "Circumstances...." in the Scope language, but are we reading the definitions just as carefully as the Scope, Scheduling, Vacations, etc?
02-02-2018, 10:19 PM
#115
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 144
Some issues to consider besides the many valid points floating around this site and others. Keep finding and posting the shortfalls and hidden “gems” like the one at the bottom I saw online?
1) 70% short of full retro (in the example I used)
2) vacation – explain the way vacation drops work with 2 days on each side?
3) Lower pay compared to ALL airlines in same category that have received new contracts (Jet Blue and Frontier excluded because they are in negotiations).
4) PBS blows and you have no idea what you will get even if you are a senior guy.
5) 5 hours per day Trip average – Not 5 hours per day
6) Long stay changing from 14 hours to 18 hours – puts us in worse hotels
7) Five year contract vs a four year contract. No extension, raises or a guarantee of raises or retro pay.
8) Hotel buyback is at company discretion. Does this mean they can take it away at their discretion?
9) Company can reassign at any time?
10) Not a window or aisle seat guaranteed on deadheads.
11) No Profit sharing
12) Pay for smaller planes? Will we fly them?
13) Stopped reading TA because of the headache is was causing.
Etc. ETC. eTc. EtC. etc………..
Good catch from someone on another thread --- and keep catching these types of items - - - - - -
page 1. Specifically 1-B-3
And if it's allowed, here's a repost of what I wrote in the "Section 1" thread:
1-D-g and 1-E-6
Protections lost in case of "Circumstance beyond the Company's control"
Now read in Section 2, "Definitions"
2-BE: "Circumstance Beyond The Company's Control" Includes Labor Dispute, Strike or PICKETING OF ANY OF THE COMPANY'S PREMISES
All scope is lost if we so much as stage a harmless picket!
IMO, this is a hidden gotcha. We may read the phrase "Circumstances...." in the Scope language, but are we reading the definitions just as carefully as the Scope, Scheduling, Vacations, etc?
1) 70% short of full retro (in the example I used)
2) vacation – explain the way vacation drops work with 2 days on each side?
3) Lower pay compared to ALL airlines in same category that have received new contracts (Jet Blue and Frontier excluded because they are in negotiations).
4) PBS blows and you have no idea what you will get even if you are a senior guy.
5) 5 hours per day Trip average – Not 5 hours per day
6) Long stay changing from 14 hours to 18 hours – puts us in worse hotels
7) Five year contract vs a four year contract. No extension, raises or a guarantee of raises or retro pay.
8) Hotel buyback is at company discretion. Does this mean they can take it away at their discretion?
9) Company can reassign at any time?
10) Not a window or aisle seat guaranteed on deadheads.
11) No Profit sharing
12) Pay for smaller planes? Will we fly them?
13) Stopped reading TA because of the headache is was causing.
Etc. ETC. eTc. EtC. etc………..
Good catch from someone on another thread --- and keep catching these types of items - - - - - -
page 1. Specifically 1-B-3
And if it's allowed, here's a repost of what I wrote in the "Section 1" thread:
1-D-g and 1-E-6
Protections lost in case of "Circumstance beyond the Company's control"
Now read in Section 2, "Definitions"
2-BE: "Circumstance Beyond The Company's Control" Includes Labor Dispute, Strike or PICKETING OF ANY OF THE COMPANY'S PREMISES
All scope is lost if we so much as stage a harmless picket!
IMO, this is a hidden gotcha. We may read the phrase "Circumstances...." in the Scope language, but are we reading the definitions just as carefully as the Scope, Scheduling, Vacations, etc?
02-03-2018, 01:26 AM
#116
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,345
02-03-2018, 01:33 AM
#117
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: NK CA
Posts: 853
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