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Old 12-09-2017, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BusterBust
I wouldn't necessarily doubt him. I flew with guys, as an FO, who would tell gate agents "I want out of here as soon as we have the passengers on." IF you dont have a ton of passengers, it can be done.

But as to the topic of this early push and it relating to our A14 time. My guess is it pushes 30 early, it blocks in 50 early. Our block times are huge now, this isnt a secret and the A14 times show it.
And something like 20% of mgmts bonus is predicTed in A14, lol. ****ing laughable
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Old 12-09-2017, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by BusterBust
I wouldn't necessarily doubt him. I flew with guys, as an FO, who would tell gate agents "I want out of here as soon as we have the passengers on." IF you dont have a ton of passengers, it can be done.

But as to the topic of this early push and it relating to our A14 time. My guess is it pushes 30 early, it blocks in 50 early. Our block times are huge now, this isnt a secret and the A14 times show it.
You're right on both topics!
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Old 12-09-2017, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BusterBust
Plus, time for some truth. We will not be released under this NMB. It’s a new board with 2 new members. They are republican appointed from a business owner President who loathes unions.

Take a breath. It’s a long career and this won’t be the last time we battle these guys in a contract. Let the process work, no matter how prejudice it is against pilots, we let it work.
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Sad but true...
I really don't get how a union member can vote for this clown.
As pilots we tend to be conservative by nature, forgetting that we are labor!
We stand our ground, and be patient. Time will show, even this management friendly NMB, the "true nature" of Spirit mismanagement.
Every time I feel that way, I remember Slick Willy cancelling the AMR pilot strike in 1997. Ever since then, it has become increasingly difficult for airline employees to strike. And forget about any of the big 4 striking ever again; it's not going to be allowed. AMERICAN AIRLINE PILOTS STRIKE BUT CLINTON ORDERS THEM BACK - The New York Times

Last I checked, Slick Willy is a Democrat.

Don't kid yourselves; both parties hate pilots and unions.

Good luck to you guys; you'll eventually get a decent contract. But the process is a huge pain.
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Old 12-09-2017, 11:38 AM
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Every time I feel that way, I remember Slick Willy cancelling the AMR pilot strike in 1997. Ever since then, it has become increasingly difficult for airline employees to strike. And forget about any of the big 4 striking ever again; it's not going to be allowed. AMERICAN AIRLINE PILOTS STRIKE BUT CLINTON ORDERS THEM BACK - The New York Times

Last I checked, Slick Willy is a Democrat.

Don't kid yourselves; both parties hate pilots and unions.

Good luck to you guys; you'll eventually get a decent contract. But the process is a huge pain.
Great point!!! I just have to laugh when pilots attribute labor gains to party affiliation. Ask how Obumers 8 years did for union gains and losses. Spolier alert unions lost 20% membership in those 8 years. Oh and he was a Demtard. Sorry may have misspelled a few words 😝
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Old 12-09-2017, 01:07 PM
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Great point!!! I just have to laugh when pilots attribute labor gains to party affiliation. Ask how Obumers 8 years did for union gains and losses. Spolier alert unions lost 20% membership in those 8 years. Oh and he was a Demtard. Sorry may have misspelled a few words 😝
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Old 12-09-2017, 09:03 PM
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I'm sorry, but 30 minutes early? That's a bit of an exaggeration.
ive no need to exaggerate. We pulled in to the gate next door 30 mins prior to scheduled departure and they were pulling the jet bridge. To the following poster, yes it was the last flight of the night.
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Old 12-10-2017, 01:34 AM
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Spolier alert unions lost 20% membership in those 8 years.
I am sure you must have some highly sophisticated statistics to support your claim. Source ?
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Old 12-10-2017, 05:31 AM
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ive no need to exaggerate. We pulled in to the gate next door 30 mins prior to scheduled departure and they were pulling the jet bridge. To the following poster, yes it was the last flight of the night.
I believe it. If we have all the confirmed pax they seem to have no reason leaving very early. Even if we don’t have everybody they close the door 15 early. We need to be aware on the last flight not to close more than 15 early

Btw, were you listed? If you are that can help us at least assume you are on your way.

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I am sure you must have some highly sophisticated statistics to support your claim. Source ?
Use the chart and do the math!

https://www.bls.gov/spotlight/2016/union-membership-in-the-united-states/pdf/union-membership-in-the-united-states.pdf
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Old 12-10-2017, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I believe it. If we have all the confirmed pax they seem to have no reason leaving very early. Even if we don’t have everybody they close the door 15 early. We need to be aware on the last flight not to close more than 15 early

Btw, were you listed? If you are that can help us at least assume you are on your way.
I was listed. The agent knew it, because after our awkward exchange of silence, he said my last name and said sorry. The woes of a commuter, life goes on.
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