Less pay more go!
12-06-2017, 02:27 PM
#11
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You could be correct about the padding of time, it makes sense to increase the margins when the airline use to run late a majority of the time. Once an aircraft pushed late then it was late all day, their was no way to ever catch up. NMB doesn't have the ability to "force" Spirit to complete the contract. Spirit has no reason to come to the table and complete the deal. Spirit has never run so well, I'm sure their thinking they should cut out pay. 
12-06-2017, 08:20 PM
#17
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You could be correct about the padding of time, it makes sense to increase the margins when the airline use to run late a majority of the time. Once an aircraft pushed late then it was late all day, their was no way to ever catch up. NMB doesn't have the ability to "force" Spirit to complete the contract. Spirit has no reason to come to the table and complete the deal. Spirit has never run so well, I'm sure their thinking they should cut out pay.
If the company is coming up to industry standard and we haven’t been told, great let’s hear about it. If we are coming off of industry standard to get a sub-industry TA done I’m gonna be ****ed. If nothing has changed and neither side is moving then it’s a GD impasse and the NMB needs to do their job and release us from negotiations.
12-07-2017, 05:37 PM
#18
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The NMB doesn’t have the ability to force Spirit to complete the contract. They do have the ability to declare an impasse. If there is no point of negotiating any longer because the two sides cannot come together that is an impasse and we should be released to a cooling off period. They aren’t doing their job.
If the company is coming up to industry standard and we haven’t been told, great let’s hear about it. If we are coming off of industry standard to get a sub-industry TA done I’m gonna be ****ed. If nothing has changed and neither side is moving then it’s a GD impasse and the NMB needs to do their job and release us from negotiations.
If the company is coming up to industry standard and we haven’t been told, great let’s hear about it. If we are coming off of industry standard to get a sub-industry TA done I’m gonna be ****ed. If nothing has changed and neither side is moving then it’s a GD impasse and the NMB needs to do their job and release us from negotiations.
12-07-2017, 06:09 PM
#19
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I’m a familiar with the framework and the major steps to get to a strike. Do I sit at the table every meeting and understand the nuances of the process in that way, no.
My point is we are deadlocked, unless the company has come our way and maybe that’s what “meaningful progress was made” means. I some point the NMB needs to see Spirit for the snakes they are and realize they don’t want a deal done and they give just a little bit a a time to stall as long as possible. There is no room for any negotiation on our side. Either they accept industry standard or not. If not, let’s get this show on the road so we can decline arbitration and start the cooling off period. But for some reason we have to stare at each other from across the table for years at a time. It’s pure nonsense.
12-07-2017, 07:14 PM
#20
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Probably true.
I’m a familiar with the framework and the major steps to get to a strike. Do I sit at the table every meeting and understand the nuances of the process in that way, no.
My point is we are deadlocked, unless the company has come our way and maybe that’s what “meaningful progress was made” means. I some point the NMB needs to see Spirit for the snakes they are and realize they don’t want a deal done and they give just a little bit a a time to stall as long as possible. There is no room for any negotiation on our side. Either they accept industry standard or not. If not, let’s get this show on the road so we can decline arbitration and start the cooling off period. But for some reason we have to stare at each other from across the table for years at a time. It’s pure nonsense.
I’m a familiar with the framework and the major steps to get to a strike. Do I sit at the table every meeting and understand the nuances of the process in that way, no.
My point is we are deadlocked, unless the company has come our way and maybe that’s what “meaningful progress was made” means. I some point the NMB needs to see Spirit for the snakes they are and realize they don’t want a deal done and they give just a little bit a a time to stall as long as possible. There is no room for any negotiation on our side. Either they accept industry standard or not. If not, let’s get this show on the road so we can decline arbitration and start the cooling off period. But for some reason we have to stare at each other from across the table for years at a time. It’s pure nonsense.
Why...why....why....Those guys!!!
This is as productive as I see coming on these forums and second guessing and ASSuming what the NMB should do, mediators should do, and NC should do. We have spent zero time personally in that board room yet every member in this forum and pilot list is an expert on what all sides should do. Just because both sides don’t agree, doesn’t mean there is deadlock to call for a cooling off period.
They (NMB) will decide when we are at an impass, the NC is pushing for what they believe we can get, the company will do what they do, and the world continues to spin.
As it stands, we are not close to being released to a cooling off period. This is obvious since we just came off ice. The ONLY way we get closer to that is to engage in more talks, hoping the company steps on their junk while we have made moves that the mediator wanted to see. Until then, it’s all speculation.
Plus, time for some truth. We will not be released under this NMB. It’s a new board with 2 new members. They are republican appointed from a business owner President who loathes unions.
Take a breath. It’s a long career and this won’t be the last time we battle these guys in a contract. Let the process work, no matter how prejudice it is against pilots, we let it work.
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