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#31
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Joined APC: May 2016
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I have an interview coming up. 7k tt 1500 TPIC on A320. I work overseas. I don't need another minute of airbus time on my resume and I'm ASSuming that I don't need the practice. Now for the question:
If I join I'll be on McDonalds fry cook pay for a year on reserve and then McDonalds fry cook Manager pay year two. I keep hearing that you can drop your entire reserve schedule. How does that work? Do I still get paid my minimum? On 3k a month, with two kids, and not living in base, a crashpad would be impossible. If I took the job, pending the offer of course, I would rely on the fact that I can basically take the first year off and not have to worry about a crashpad. Is this possible, or am I reaching. Otherwise I could hold out for a better job that may never come. I don't need the "don't come to Spirit" rhetoric. Facts are appreciated.
If I join I'll be on McDonalds fry cook pay for a year on reserve and then McDonalds fry cook Manager pay year two. I keep hearing that you can drop your entire reserve schedule. How does that work? Do I still get paid my minimum? On 3k a month, with two kids, and not living in base, a crashpad would be impossible. If I took the job, pending the offer of course, I would rely on the fact that I can basically take the first year off and not have to worry about a crashpad. Is this possible, or am I reaching. Otherwise I could hold out for a better job that may never come. I don't need the "don't come to Spirit" rhetoric. Facts are appreciated.
We have about 1900 pilots now, about 900 of those are FOs, waiting to upgrade. We have less than 60 more aircraft on order. That equates to only about 600 more captain upgrades for this aircraft order. We have very few retirements. Attrition is tough to predict.
You do the math and predict realistically how long it’ll take you to upgrade. Plan on being paid horribly for years.
#32
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 89
Crashpad or cheap hotel.
If you don't want reserve, you'll be on RES for less than a year. If you're gonna commute anyway consider *gasp* ACY and be near the top of the seniority list there in 6-9 months. Bid the line you think you can drop the easiest plus transition conflict, try to drop everything, and then pick back up from a more convenient base.
There is no real distinction between 3 and 11 hour callouts. You might get a day's notice, might get 2 hours notice and a pretty-please with 1 hr move-up pay on top if you can get there fast and push on time. Contract says "at the gate ready to go" 3 hours after the call.
When I was on RES, I'd guess that at least half of my calls were 6 hours or less, however they company *usually* called me as soon as my duty window opened and if I checked my schedule before getting called, I would sometimes see that I'd been assigned a trip almost a full day prior and they just didn't call until the beginning of my next RES window.
Lack of 121 time and lack of degree doesn't seem to be an issue but you'll never know if you don't apply.
A little bird I overheard suggested that one other high-payoff first-year game to be played is to drop everything possible first year, and use the time off to finish up that college degree, maybe volunteer somewhere to add some more points on your legacy apps. You'll get more pay at some regionals now but you'll also fly more, with less time for school. Depends on which benefits you more, SIC 121 hours or a degree.
If you don't want reserve, you'll be on RES for less than a year. If you're gonna commute anyway consider *gasp* ACY and be near the top of the seniority list there in 6-9 months. Bid the line you think you can drop the easiest plus transition conflict, try to drop everything, and then pick back up from a more convenient base.
There is no real distinction between 3 and 11 hour callouts. You might get a day's notice, might get 2 hours notice and a pretty-please with 1 hr move-up pay on top if you can get there fast and push on time. Contract says "at the gate ready to go" 3 hours after the call.
When I was on RES, I'd guess that at least half of my calls were 6 hours or less, however they company *usually* called me as soon as my duty window opened and if I checked my schedule before getting called, I would sometimes see that I'd been assigned a trip almost a full day prior and they just didn't call until the beginning of my next RES window.
Lack of 121 time and lack of degree doesn't seem to be an issue but you'll never know if you don't apply.
A little bird I overheard suggested that one other high-payoff first-year game to be played is to drop everything possible first year, and use the time off to finish up that college degree, maybe volunteer somewhere to add some more points on your legacy apps. You'll get more pay at some regionals now but you'll also fly more, with less time for school. Depends on which benefits you more, SIC 121 hours or a degree.
How does one commute to ACY? I am confused to why its a hub. I suppose it means they don't compete directly with anyone there.
Thanks for your input. Fly safe.
#33
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 83
Crashpad or cheap hotel.
If you don't want reserve, you'll be on RES for less than a year. If you're gonna commute anyway consider *gasp* ACY and be near the top of the seniority list there in 6-9 months. Bid the line you think you can drop the easiest plus transition conflict, try to drop everything, and then pick back up from a more convenient base.
There is no real distinction between 3 and 11 hour callouts. You might get a day's notice, might get 2 hours notice and a pretty-please with 1 hr move-up pay on top if you can get there fast and push on time. Contract says "at the gate ready to go" 3 hours after the call.
When I was on RES, I'd guess that at least half of my calls were 6 hours or less, however they company *usually* called me as soon as my duty window opened and if I checked my schedule before getting called, I would sometimes see that I'd been assigned a trip almost a full day prior and they just didn't call until the beginning of my next RES window.
Lack of 121 time and lack of degree doesn't seem to be an issue but you'll never know if you don't apply.
A little bird I overheard suggested that one other high-payoff first-year game to be played is to drop everything possible first year, and use the time off to finish up that college degree, maybe volunteer somewhere to add some more points on your legacy apps. You'll get more pay at some regionals now but you'll also fly more, with less time for school. Depends on which benefits you more, SIC 121 hours or a degree.
If you don't want reserve, you'll be on RES for less than a year. If you're gonna commute anyway consider *gasp* ACY and be near the top of the seniority list there in 6-9 months. Bid the line you think you can drop the easiest plus transition conflict, try to drop everything, and then pick back up from a more convenient base.
There is no real distinction between 3 and 11 hour callouts. You might get a day's notice, might get 2 hours notice and a pretty-please with 1 hr move-up pay on top if you can get there fast and push on time. Contract says "at the gate ready to go" 3 hours after the call.
When I was on RES, I'd guess that at least half of my calls were 6 hours or less, however they company *usually* called me as soon as my duty window opened and if I checked my schedule before getting called, I would sometimes see that I'd been assigned a trip almost a full day prior and they just didn't call until the beginning of my next RES window.
Lack of 121 time and lack of degree doesn't seem to be an issue but you'll never know if you don't apply.
A little bird I overheard suggested that one other high-payoff first-year game to be played is to drop everything possible first year, and use the time off to finish up that college degree, maybe volunteer somewhere to add some more points on your legacy apps. You'll get more pay at some regionals now but you'll also fly more, with less time for school. Depends on which benefits you more, SIC 121 hours or a degree.
That’s a pretty good distinction, wouldn’t you think?!
#34
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 409
FYI, because ACY is always short F/Os you can forget about dropping days.
Go to a regional, pays more and has a direct pathway to a real airline
#35
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Joined APC: May 2017
Position: Bus FO
Posts: 35
Reserve drop limits are currently a discussion point in negotiations; management wanting zero reserve drops and the union wanting drops allowed from days on the outside of blocks only, on one reserve “block” of days for the month. So neither side is pushing for the entire “drop the month of reserve.” Which is fine because it can’t be done anyways.
I called them and they RE-instated a few of the RESERVE blocks.
#36
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Joined APC: May 2017
Position: Bus FO
Posts: 35
I myself was able to drop EVERYTHING out of ACY and other classmates too, picking up from another base.
#37
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 409
This is just not accurate info. You will get ACY in training. If you are lucky, you may bid out of ACY and be somewhere else by the time you hit the line like I and a few other classmates did.
I myself was able to drop EVERYTHING out of ACY and other classmates too, picking up from another base.
I myself was able to drop EVERYTHING out of ACY and other classmates too, picking up from another base.
#38
This is just not accurate info. You will get ACY in training. If you are lucky, you may bid out of ACY and be somewhere else by the time you hit the line like I and a few other classmates did.
I myself was able to drop EVERYTHING out of ACY and other classmates too, picking up from another base.
I myself was able to drop EVERYTHING out of ACY and other classmates too, picking up from another base.
Edit: the "you're" and "you" are generalizations.
Last edited by 390SetBlue; 11-12-2017 at 05:39 AM.
#39
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Joined APC: May 2017
Position: Bus FO
Posts: 35
Where in the quote did I say you can pick up on reserve? In fact a few posts ago I said that you cannot pick up on reserve. So the rest of your statement is pure emotional BS. Made you feel better to say it?
#40
Re-read your post. The way you wrote it it's easy to assume you're saying someone awarded ACY out of training would be able to drop and swap. Granted they'd have a relief line first month and could swap but, after they'd likely be on reserve and wouldn't have that option. My comment wasn't intended as a slight against you but as a clarification for anyone considering coming here.
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