Originally Posted by symbian simian

I guess sarcasm tag required for the use of word hobby, I call it a hobby because being a pilot at Spirit does not pay enough to be worthy of the name "job", never mind "career". Everyone of us is going to vote (at least I hope so, eventually) on a new contract, and ALL of will vote only based on what is good for themselves and their family, (if people voted with their conscience we would never had $38 first year pay....). I have kids and I am saving for retirement/college, but I personally will not vote for a contract with gutted work rules just to achieve a marginal pay raise. Ask your friends at AA how much they like getting their required 30-hour rest at an outstation so they can have less than a full day of between 4-day trips, just to get "industry leading pay" (spoiler alert: their pay is no longer industry leading, but the work rules are still gone). Or ask your none-money-hungry WN friends how much they like seeing CS show at the airplane after the last leg of the trip with a three day extension (yes, that will happen all summer, and no, you can't say refuse), but "Hey, we are the highest paid B737 pilots". I have been in aviation since 1990, forgive me if I am a bit wary of giving too much to this company.

Sorry about negotiating in public, but pay rates are only one page of our 222 page contract.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

A 50% raise is a definite no but this is a career for most of us not a hobby

Originally Posted by BusterBust

Let me grab my violin....if you get a raise with this contract and are a Captain making $200k+ a year, you’ll need to quit your job to stay home to watch the kids.

You’ll have a household bringing in close to a half mil a year between the two of you in a few years.

#firstworldproblems

Get a nanny and you’ll still have more money leftover versus this contract we have now.

Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE

Thats just it, this isnt a ******* Hobby, its a profession. We do it to get paid

Originally Posted by symbian simian

replied to similar already but:
I guess sarcasm tag required for the use of word hobby, I call it a hobby because being a pilot at Spirit does not pay enough to be worthy of the name "job", never mind "career"

Originally Posted by symbian simian

I guess sarcasm tag required for the use of word hobby, I call it a hobby because being a pilot at Spirit does not pay enough to be worthy of the name "job", never mind "career". Everyone of us is going to vote (at least I hope so, eventually) on a new contract, and ALL of will vote only based on what is good for themselves and their family, (if people voted with their conscience we would never had $38 first year pay....). I have kids and I am saving for retirement/college, but I personally will not vote for a contract with gutted work rules just to achieve a marginal pay raise. Ask your friends at AA how much they like getting their required 30-hour rest at an outstation so they can have less than a full day of between 4-day trips, just to get "industry leading pay" (spoiler alert: their pay is no longer industry leading, but the work rules are still gone). Or ask your none-money-hungry WN friends how much they like seeing CS show at the airplane after the last leg of the trip with a three day extension (yes, that will happen all summer, and no, you can't refuse), but "Hey, we are the highest paid B737 pilots". I have been in aviation since 1990, forgive me if I am a bit wary of giving too much to this company.

Sorry about negotiating in public, but pay rates are only one page of our 222 page contract.

Originally Posted by DFWLECNOW

Question of the day: define ‘market rate’.

Originally Posted by Super EZ E

The market rate (or "going rate") for goods or services is the usual price charged for them in a free market. If demand goes up, manufacturers and laborers will tend to respond by increasing the price they require, thus setting a higher market rate. When demand falls, market rates also tend to fall. Refer to supply and demand econ 101.

Originally Posted by RonnyK320

I'm all about free market economics, but it's a little different when you're on a seniority list, and you have to start from the bottom of another list if you leave.

Too bad there's no direct entry captains at Delta

Originally Posted by squawkoff

Just spit balling here, but what if ALPA had a master seniority list that applied to all ALPA carriers? You go from one carrier to another , your seniority goes with you. Wouldn’t that force companies to up their game to attract pilots? Of course this wouldn’t work during a pilot surplus, which we’re not in. Just a thought.