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11-28-2017, 08:50 PM

#231

Macjet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by InTrail

Plz take the male appendix measuring contest between Allegiant and Spirit to another forum.

Can we get back to worrying about PBS?

No one wants PBS, but the negotiators are pushing it. Why?

No one wants PBS, but the MEC is pushing it. Why?

As valid as the APC opinion is

, I decided to call my rep and ask. Apparently, the NC and company have agreed that any PBS framework will maintain 4 days off, red/green, and vacation touching. So, how is the sky falling?

11-28-2017, 09:43 PM

#232

FreeSmiles

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Macjet

As valid as the APC opinion is

, I decided to call my rep and ask. Apparently, the NC and company have agreed that any PBS framework will maintain 4 days off, red/green, and vacation touching. So, how is the sky falling?

Transition. Vacation affects, what, 2 weeks a year for most here? Transition, whether you get it on a regular basis or not will affect everyone... via staffing, available trips, and ability for OT. Better get some pretty sweet min days off/trip/duty rigs if you want to shove that down our throats!

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11-29-2017, 12:24 AM

#233

mkfmbos

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

If people had any type of independent thought no one would affiliate with any political party. We’d all be better off if people didn’t amidentify as “conservative” or “liberal”. We refuse to hear out good ideas from people because they may not identify to the same political extreme we do. If we dropped the party labels we would all be more open minded. Or we could just keep name calling and making assumptions, that’ll be better I’m sure.

YES!!! Unfortunately it is more comfortable being dumb and surrounding yourself with other dummies.

11-29-2017, 05:49 AM

#234

Qotsaautopilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Macjet

As valid as the APC opinion is

, I decided to call my rep and ask. Apparently, the NC and company have agreed that any PBS framework will maintain 4 days off, red/green, and vacation touching. So, how is the sky falling?

I missed the communication where they were meeting together without the NMB.

11-29-2017, 06:39 AM

#235

DFWLECNOW

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Macjet

As valid as the APC opinion is

, I decided to call my rep and ask. Apparently, the NC and company have agreed that any PBS framework will maintain 4 days off, red/green, and vacation touching. So, how is the sky falling?

This would be huge news. You’re the only person I’ve heard it from so far. I don’t believe the company and NC have met since September so I’m not sure how this could be true.

11-29-2017, 07:02 AM

#236

Macjet

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

I missed the communication where they were meeting together without the NMB.

They've been meeting for the last two years. Oh wait, that doesn't fit your agenda.

F!@# the MEC! The NC sucks! Recall the NMB!!! Down with the man!

11-29-2017, 07:03 AM

#237

putzin

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

I missed the communication where they were meeting together without the NMB.

Ha ha, maybe JA negotiated it? I heard he got us a min day of 6.5 hours too.

11-29-2017, 08:08 AM

#238

SourGrapes

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Macjet

As valid as the APC opinion is

, I decided to call my rep and ask. Apparently, the NC and company have agreed that any PBS framework will maintain 4 days off, red/green, and vacation touching. So, how is the sky falling?

how will vacation touching work with pbs?

11-29-2017, 08:18 AM

#239

johnvito

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What about the setting of min/max line values? What about premium pay for, and limits on unstacking? If these issues aren't addressed, it is a loophole to give the company free backdoor junior manning! I need to see these addressed in black and white before I vote yes on any TA with PBS in it.

11-29-2017, 09:19 AM

#240

Qotsaautopilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Macjet

They've been meeting for the last two years. Oh wait, that doesn't fit your agenda.

F!@# the MEC! The NC sucks! Recall the NMB!!! Down with the man!

What agenda? I’ve never spoken poorly about out leadership. Also, as far as I know we never spoke about pbs with the company. The final days of negotiating back in September were on other topics and then the company said it was all contingent on getting PBS. We said No. We polled the pilot group. We told the NMB we are willing to “discuss” PBS and a meeting was set for status updates with the NMB. We have not gotten any communication since. Did you get a communication that said we met without the NMB to discuss PBS with Spirit? I didn’t and as far as I know it wasn’t talked about (specifics) in the last two and a half years of negotiations.