ecam

Level one trolling.

By "pretty sweet" he must mean pay rates temporarily above the other ULCCs, no work rules, no hotel or travel language, and a joke in-house scheduling system that completely disregards seniority for "company needs".

Qotsaautopilot

There is no ULCC or LCC level/tier. It’s made up by management and by agreeing with them you only devalue yourself. It’s airbus pilot or MD 80 pilot or 737 etc.

Truth is that Allegiant has the lowest contract in this round of bargaining and they will be stuck with it for at least 8 years because of the length of the deal and will look much worse than Spirit does now when AA and United open again next year.

The pay is below the industry significantly for a new contract and the retirement is very very poor. The premium pay over (is it 85 hrs?) is a nice perk and being home every night if you live where you’re based is almost impossible to find anywhere without massive seniority so they do have something going for them.

Problem is the compensation is disappointing and Spirit management likes to use it as a benchmark with the NMB when they’re trying to show them how generous they think they’re being. It’s hurting us big time. Also if Allegiant ever goes to multi-day trips (which the pilot group has no control over and could happen tomorrow) they are screwed because they have almost no work rules with that type of schedule in mind.

The responses you got weren’t meant as disrespect to fellow union pilots at Allegiant it’s just that their contract isn’t anything we want to be measuring by or striving for. We are all worth much more in this market.

dutch rudder

Joke of a contract? I mean, we don’t even have trip rigs (I don’t need trip rigs because we don’t sit in airports). We don’t even have trip conflict protection (I don’t need conflict protections because we don’t fly multi-day trips). Oh man, we only have 50% deadhead pay and per diem is only $2.00 (other than recurrent, I don’t ever deadhead and TAFB is under 90 hours/month). We don’t even have any “on-duty limitations” for times between 0100-0400 (we don’t do red-eyes). We don’t get guaranteed 4 consecutive days off after our trips (If I was gone for 4-5 days, I would need 4 days off too)!


What most people don’t understand (even among our pilot group) is many protections that are vital at other airlines aren’t applicable at Allegiant… or not as important. What is most important to me is being able to choose the time of day I go to work and the time of day I get home… in the same day. We voted on things that were important to OUR pilot group. Is it perfect? No way.

Is it a joke? Well, I can say with confidence I make a lot more and have far better QOL than you!

akulahunter

Concur! 100% correct. I'll take G4 anyday for QOL and I'll give you $10 if you can find a company with a better average W2/TAFB number than Allegiant (including the legacies).

I hope you guys crush it and I totally agree you need those work rules because of the way you operate. The better you do, the better we will do next contact. That's the way the game is supposed to go. It's leap frog...

Lincoln Osiris

1) Not everyone is based in FLL and or commutes from MCO.

2) I haven't been in that crew room in years and like most guys here, avoid the crew rooms like the plague.

FLYBOYMATTHEW

Thank god I haven't had to enter that room since 2013.

FLYBOYMATTHEW

SWA just hired one of our captains that had done a couple Asia contracts.

NKSMCOTAKEOVER

Where are you based?

Lincoln Osiris

I’m based at none of your damn business.

BKbigfish

I’m not sure who this skyrider character is but a quick look at his post history shows that he either works at Allegiant or pretended to work at Allegiant at one point. Looks like he was managing expectations over there prior to their TA and now he’s trolling the NK forums trying to manage expectations over here as well. Might want to add this fool to the ignore list.