Hello PBS; Goodbye QOL
11-07-2017, 03:36 PM
#141
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Percentage is irrelevant. It’s below the industry and the only reason it is is because Spirit has chosen to demand five year CBAs and countless years of negotiations. The percentage gap only grows because they choose to stall and then think they can get off cheap in the by saying well look at what a big increase it is. It’s a con game
And yeah, without scope and real LTD it doesn’t matter if it’s a 500% increase because it’s garbage
And yeah, without scope and real LTD it doesn’t matter if it’s a 500% increase because it’s garbage
For all the PBS love above, now insert hostile management that lives by the fly it and grieve it mentality. Then insert short staffing and tell me how that PBS is working for you. If you’re benefiting from senior guys bidding reserve right now get ready to be back on reserve and abused. Those guys and gals will learn quickly to avoid reserve like the plague when they’re flying 72hrs for 72hrs of pay with min days off.
11-07-2017, 03:57 PM
#142
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 203
This! Why we’re negotiating a 5yr deal blows my mind! Especially when they want PBS! Most operators have signed two CBA’s to our one and the mediator thinks it’s a great raise. Gimme a break. Most likely will be into year eight before a deal is inked.
For all the PBS love above, now insert hostile management that lives by the fly it and grieve it mentality. Then insert short staffing and tell me how that PBS is working for you. If you’re benefiting from senior guys bidding reserve right now get ready to be back on reserve and abused. Those guys and gals will learn quickly to avoid reserve like the plague when they’re flying 72hrs for 72hrs of pay with min days off.
For all the PBS love above, now insert hostile management that lives by the fly it and grieve it mentality. Then insert short staffing and tell me how that PBS is working for you. If you’re benefiting from senior guys bidding reserve right now get ready to be back on reserve and abused. Those guys and gals will learn quickly to avoid reserve like the plague when they’re flying 72hrs for 72hrs of pay with min days off.
11-07-2017, 06:52 PM
#143
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: WB/A
Posts: 900
Hahhahahhahhaa. You were bidding number 8 out of 200 ON A WIDE BODY.
No wonder PBS worked out so well for you.
Perhaps you missed the part where I related that I subsequently sank to the bottom of a bid list. Furthermore, I failed to mention that even later on I bid in a domestic category that greatly relied on inefficient 3, 4 and 5 day trips. It was all good with PBS. I've been through another half dozen domestic and international seats since then. Never once did the thought cross my mind: " gee life would be better if I could only go back to line bidding." Junior, mid-pack, or senior, I know for a fact that routine monthly schedules have been much higher quality for me under PBS. Once recurrent training was added to PBS, even those lousy months improved; no more company telling me what I was going to do.
Anyways, still waiting on scope, LTD, no givebacks on work rules and an industry leading pay before I would even give PBS consideration. Oh yeah, and PBS will have to come with a novel size booklet that spells out specifically what will and will not be allowed (SPA ALPA approved) before implementation.
Efficiency gained by PBS is worth 10s of millions of dollars. That money needs to come our way.
No wonder PBS worked out so well for you.
Perhaps you missed the part where I related that I subsequently sank to the bottom of a bid list. Furthermore, I failed to mention that even later on I bid in a domestic category that greatly relied on inefficient 3, 4 and 5 day trips. It was all good with PBS. I've been through another half dozen domestic and international seats since then. Never once did the thought cross my mind: " gee life would be better if I could only go back to line bidding." Junior, mid-pack, or senior, I know for a fact that routine monthly schedules have been much higher quality for me under PBS. Once recurrent training was added to PBS, even those lousy months improved; no more company telling me what I was going to do.
Anyways, still waiting on scope, LTD, no givebacks on work rules and an industry leading pay before I would even give PBS consideration. Oh yeah, and PBS will have to come with a novel size booklet that spells out specifically what will and will not be allowed (SPA ALPA approved) before implementation.
Efficiency gained by PBS is worth 10s of millions of dollars. That money needs to come our way.
11-11-2017, 08:32 AM
#145
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
If, IF, PBS is only a way to sort, a way to more easily make a monthly bid.......
Then why would the company want PBS?
Does the company, any company, do ANYTHING on a regular basis solely for the benefit of the pilot group?
Then why would the company want PBS?
Does the company, any company, do ANYTHING on a regular basis solely for the benefit of the pilot group?
11-11-2017, 09:42 AM
#146
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
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11-15-2017, 10:31 AM
#149
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