Lincoln Osiris

You seriously think we will be in a cooling off period for an entire year?

UNSUBSCRIBE

Pfffff,,Good luck staffing this place then. Two buddies just quit and there are soooo many more trying/waiting for a class date.


Its coming, dont stress. Watch these greedy ****s panic come spring when the feces hits the N1 Blades

Super EZ E

I hope you guys are right. Please prove me wrong. I heard Gary was asked if they could train 100 new hires a month! That's how out of touch these people are. I think it showed 60 for next month! I'm sure that really means 40 at the end of the month if we're lucky. Super I want to sign up for the thanksgiving new hire class! IMHO it will be a long time before the company calls us to talk. No need to, we have "super pilots" here at Spirit.

TrojanCMH

PBS is a contract within a contract. PBS is fine if the contractual language is written properly. Everyone here thinks PBS is a thing that can't be controlled. PBS is a way to bid and just like line bidding they need to hash out the details before they shove it down our throats. Tell me what they want with PBS and put it in writing.

With proper PBS language you could have better or equal QOL/soft pay as with our current line bidding. I'm a 100% no vote if they just say PBS without explaining what it entails. If spirit is open to giving the union full control of the bidding process, no pre awards (this is huge from a PBS standpoint), a solid +5 hour min day with a big trip/duty rig, no min target adjustment after bidding is closed, no unstacking, then I'm open to it as long as our pay scales look like the legacy rates. But realistically if they agreed to all that then why would they want PBS...

Qotsaautopilot

Ok let’s stop this

Ed Force One

A pro-PBS negotiator once told me "PBS is nothing more than a tool, why are you scared of it?"

I responded with: You know what else is a tool? A hunting knife. I can use a hunting knife to feed the hungry and clothe the cold. *OR* I can take a hunting knife and stab you in the back with it.

What do you think Spirit Management will do if you give them a hunting knife? You can agree on the rules of the knife, but once you've handed it to them, you're pretty much at the mercy of the guy coming at you with a knife.

TrojanCMH

That's really not how it works but ok. I think what you're trying to say is you don't trust them to abide by the language that is negotiated but if the language is there, black and white, then we should be able to get them to abide by it. Sure it may take grievances and arbitration but if the language is solid then we will win.

With that said I don't want PBS. Just saying there is more to PBS than just pref bidding. And just like with anything in life if the price is right I'll look at it. No one thing is an absolute no vote for me. Show me the whole thing. But you're 100% right that PBS is a tool and it's how the tool gets used that makes all the difference.

FLYBOYMATTHEW

It only took 3 years for a contractually agreed upon red/green system to be honored and implemented. PBS is a sword, not a knife.

VegassBus

I remember that battle, what a bunch of scumbags Spirit management WAS & ALWAYS WILL BE.

Delta isn't perfect but at least mgmt treats us with a bit of respect.

Spirit's management is a steaming pile of feces and it will never change.

Good luck you guys, Keep up the good fight.

gatorbird

Please don't speak for me and what work rules I'll concede. I've seen DL schedules that the narrowbody guys get with PBS. No thanks.