Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

This sitting around waiting for the company to start shtting out rainbows is getting old. Phone polls and billboards will only make management laugh and will not get them back to the negotiation table.

Originally Posted by Super EZ E

All I can say is PBS is a NO vote.

Originally Posted by Feng

I think this train of thought is excellent...actually using numbers to convey a point. Excellent write up, a couple things that'll be hard but needs to be factored in to the amount of increase in CASM.

1. Unless you're departing the gate going 500mph and arriving at 500mph with no taxing time, I'm not sure 2 hrs for 991 miles is doable. More like 2:35 maybe?

2. In your equations, you only accounted for the direct impact of the pilots working that specific flight to the CASM. It would be accurate if the airline paid the total of its pilots the same credits hours as its block hours. How any pilots on reserve work 100-300 hours a year and gets paid 900-1000? Or line holders that block 800/yr and credit 1000-1200 via transition, sick, vacation, etc...Those unblocked credit increase the CASM that's not accounted for in your equation.

Does that make sense? If not I'll try to be clearer.

3. Other things

Though an interesting and valid way of looking at the number, it makes it harder to quantify. I feel a better way is to simply add what the contract increases are worth as a whole and add/subtract from the balance sheet to get the figures you're looking for.

Truly not trying to troll. Just enjoy these discussions.

Originally Posted by Feng

Not sure if you read my previous previous post. I believe that there are legitimate factors that the above equation does not consider.

You yourself flew ~150 hours last year. Had there been a higher compensation, your equation would factor in the higher CASM for those 150 hours worth of flights. But how do you reconcile the additional ~750 hours that you were paid and it’s impact on the overall increase in CASM.

Originally Posted by Poppachubby

you're getting old!! and you're not fooling anybody. time to change your screen name and try again. May I suggest "bendosboytoy"

Originally Posted by Poppachubby

you're getting old!! and you're not fooling anybody. time to change your screen name and try again. May I suggest "bendosboytoy"

Originally Posted by Super EZ E

It's not LOL! You've missed the point completely. I don't have an issue with 28 hr 4 days. I have an issue with 13 days off and 90 hrs a month. Plus zero open and drop time. That's what's in the pipe line. 12 days on 83/85 hrs is ok if that's what you want to bid. We will need the option to decompress too. Point is PBS with this management group and under their control is bad news for the pilot group. The union needs to focus on the back end. Bendo is already there waiting for us. Spirit is licking their chops for PBS. CONTRACT IS REVNUE POSITIVE WITH PBS for the company. BTW This is how my buddy at AA works. 90 hrs plus a month and can't get home/ to work on one or both ends of a trip.

Originally Posted by dogpilot

28 hr four days make 13 days off and only 90hrs impossible. 30-31 day months, 4 28hr four days equals 14-15 days off 112hrs credit. At least be honest

Originally Posted by putzin

That depends upon the rest of the agreement and how it's structured.

It's called "negotiating" and we can't move forward without it.

But I will share in your "no" vote if it includes the current proposal of not seeing the 5 hour min day until PBS is active.