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Old 10-27-2017, 07:18 AM
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Yeah? IF say a deal was offered 2 years ago at DOS for a 20% raise and then 3% each year thereafter...for the sake of simplicity, say it went from $100/hr to $120 to $123 to $127...$131...$135 to $139 by year 5.

If the contract gets dragged on for 5 years. Do you see the final result being getting an 40% raise to $140 or for some reason the company will cave and give you an 80% raise to $180?

I'm not sure the "we're winning because the ask just went up" holds any water as far as how much more money you'll actually get in your pocket when it's all said and done considering the time value of money lost.

I think at some point, ALPA will use Spirit as a case study of what not to do during negotiations. Whether you deserve it or not, I don't see the NMB and the administration allowing a strike when a 20%-40% raise is/was offered.

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Those raises you refer to didn't exist 2 years ago. Your numbers are way off so I'm not sure where you're getting your info. Say they took a 20% raise 2 years ago, 2nd year FO pay would have gone from $72 to $86 and 4th year CA to $157. It would have also gutted the work rules to do it. If you don't think that is pathetic you must be a real scumbag. Are you even a pilot at all? What skin do you have in the game with Spirit? You don't seem to work for an airline looking at your post history but you seem obsessed with Spirit negotiations.
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:24 AM
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AA’s big failure was always swinging for the fences. Delta did the opposite, slowly building upon each successive contract. I’ve said time and time again on here take the short term small wins. Collectively they are worth more.
We arent swinging for the fence, we are asking for a pretty Standard compensation pack, actually, less than that really........
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Old 10-27-2017, 08:29 AM
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We arent swinging for the fence, we are asking for a pretty Standard compensation pack, actually, less than that really........
And the company wouldn't even offer something close to that. This is who Spirit has always been, who they are, and who they will continue to be. Anyone who thinks it will become anything different should probably apply to a different airline.
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Old 10-27-2017, 09:34 AM
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And the company wouldn't even offer something close to that. This is who Spirit has always been, who they are, and who they will continue to be. Anyone who thinks it will become anything different should probably apply to a different airline.
I think 80% of us already have...........

You can bet your ass UAL will be looking more closely at Applications from Spirit Pilots. UAL wants to hire 1200, realistically it will be 800. Even 100 guys from here as well as our guys going to other carriers will bury this ****hole.
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Old 10-27-2017, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
I think 80% of us already have...........

You can bet your ass UAL will be looking more closely at Applications from Spirit Pilots. UAL wants to hire 1200, realistically it will be 800. Even 100 guys from here as well as our guys going to other carriers will bury this ****hole.
Yeah it makes me question the intelligence of the United leadership. Option A: lose millions competing with Spirit, or option B: hire as many Spirit pilots as you can (they have to hire anyhow). This will instantly force Spirit into a jam. A contract would HAVE to come right away at Spirit and then poof: the playing field is a little more level. It honestly baffles me.
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Old 10-27-2017, 11:26 PM
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You forgot option C). Buy Spirit at a discount, get 1,800 pilots + 100 Airbii + orders, eliminate competition that's dragging down fares.
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Old 10-28-2017, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
I think 80% of us already have...........

You can bet your ass UAL will be looking more closely at Applications from Spirit Pilots. UAL wants to hire 1200, realistically it will be 800. Even 100 guys from here as well as our guys going to other carriers will bury this ****hole.
United’s scoring and pulling apps for an interview is computer based algorithm and scoring. Unless they specifically add a search term for ‘Spirit’, they won’t pull any one company in particular for interviews.
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Old 10-28-2017, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
You forgot option C). Buy Spirit at a discount, get 1,800 pilots + 100 Airbii + orders, eliminate competition that's dragging down fares.
"Airbii"..that made me laugh
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Old 10-28-2017, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
Who LOVED Bobs Answer to the one guy who asked how productivity would be increased if say we had SWA work rules?


Bob goes on an incoherent ramble about gate space in FLL. Absolutely mind boggling
Ha!! that was great..well actually not great but I had to laugh when I heard how slippery his "answer" was.
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Old 10-30-2017, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
You forgot option C). Buy Spirit at a discount, get 1,800 pilots + 100 Airbii + orders, eliminate competition that's dragging down fares.
I'm hoping for option C.
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