View Poll Results: Which one if both offered job ?
Envoy
88
59.86%
Spirit
59
40.14%
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Envoy or Spirit ?
10-09-2017, 09:13 AM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 203
Has nothing to do about hating. Envoy has a lot more movememt (25 going to AA per month plus others leaving else where). He would be a senior FO before he knows it. He doesn't seem to care about $$ not that Spirit pays more (not yet anyways). In 6 years or so he can flow to American (might take longer if he wants to stay in DFW). Keeps his sick bank, vacation, and better traveling benefits.. Question is, why do YOU think Spirit is a better choice? Spirit offers him DFW and an Airbus type (which only Asia might care about).
As far as hating Spirit.. my best friend is a Captain at Spirit. I wouldn't say he hates Spirit but he doesn't like it. Can't wait for the phone to ring (AA, Delta, UA, FedEx or UPS).
As far as hating Spirit.. my best friend is a Captain at Spirit. I wouldn't say he hates Spirit but he doesn't like it. Can't wait for the phone to ring (AA, Delta, UA, FedEx or UPS).
10-09-2017, 03:38 PM
#15
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 219
Let's clear up this misconception.
All pilots transferring to AA from Envoy begining with the July 2017 classes fall under the part of the contract called Protected Pilots. Protected Pilots and anyone junior to them (including today's new hires) do not get any longevity benefits. When you flow to AA now you get a job, that's it.
Worked at Envoy for 7 years? Thank you. You will start at with 0 years time of service for vacation accrual, retirement, sick, travel, etc...
Did you use ZED tickets while you were at Envoy? We'll you'll have to wait the 6-12months to use them again.
401k? 0% company contribution for the first 12 months, not fully vested for 7 years.
The 824 group who you are referring to were the last to receive these benefits.
All pilots transferring to AA from Envoy begining with the July 2017 classes fall under the part of the contract called Protected Pilots. Protected Pilots and anyone junior to them (including today's new hires) do not get any longevity benefits. When you flow to AA now you get a job, that's it.
Worked at Envoy for 7 years? Thank you. You will start at with 0 years time of service for vacation accrual, retirement, sick, travel, etc...
Did you use ZED tickets while you were at Envoy? We'll you'll have to wait the 6-12months to use them again.
401k? 0% company contribution for the first 12 months, not fully vested for 7 years.
The 824 group who you are referring to were the last to receive these benefits.
10-09-2017, 04:17 PM
#16
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 85
Let's clear up this misconception.
All pilots transferring to AA from Envoy begining with the July 2017 classes fall under the part of the contract called Protected Pilots. Protected Pilots and anyone junior to them (including today's new hires) do not get any longevity benefits. When you flow to AA now you get a job, that's it.
Worked at Envoy for 7 years? Thank you. You will start at with 0 years time of service for vacation accrual, retirement, sick, travel, etc...
Did you use ZED tickets while you were at Envoy? We'll you'll have to wait the 6-12months to use them again.
401k? 0% company contribution for the first 12 months, not fully vested for 7 years.
The 824 group who you are referring to were the last to receive these benefits.
All pilots transferring to AA from Envoy begining with the July 2017 classes fall under the part of the contract called Protected Pilots. Protected Pilots and anyone junior to them (including today's new hires) do not get any longevity benefits. When you flow to AA now you get a job, that's it.
Worked at Envoy for 7 years? Thank you. You will start at with 0 years time of service for vacation accrual, retirement, sick, travel, etc...
Did you use ZED tickets while you were at Envoy? We'll you'll have to wait the 6-12months to use them again.
401k? 0% company contribution for the first 12 months, not fully vested for 7 years.
The 824 group who you are referring to were the last to receive these benefits.
Haha you're funny.. "you get a job, that's it". You realize how many pilots want to just "get a job, that's it"?
PS- All new hires get ZED after 6 months.
10-09-2017, 06:10 PM
#17
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 56
I never said I’m not here. It is possible to retake the portion that was unsatisfactory on the ride. I know exactly what it’s like here and I feel like I’m trapped here now. Oh joy
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