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Old 09-26-2017, 10:43 AM
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Anyone have any reliable data on training failure rates at other airlines? I would be especially interested on such data for other Airbus programs in particular.
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Old 09-26-2017, 11:06 AM
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What exactly makes training so difficult at spirit?
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Old 09-26-2017, 11:21 AM
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What exactly makes training so difficult at spirit?
It isn’t difficult if you prepare and have a basic grasp on the idea or crew coordination and standardized flying.

As we hire more low time pilots with less experience in the above mentioned areas, failures are on the rise.

It’s not even a knock on the guys we hire, they are lambs being led to slaughter because some are simply over their head from the start and don’t even realize it.

Spirit doesn’t care; they will cast a larger net, catching more low experience/time pilots, failures will rise and careers will get pink slips/121 failures on their records; and the big yellow machine keeps trucking with little regard.
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Old 09-27-2017, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mozekian
It isn’t difficult if you prepare and have a basic grasp on the idea or crew coordination and standardized flying.
I agree, I would add that it helps to be good with systems since our system instruction is fairly limited, and the Bus is a "system-oriented" airplane. This is why I'm interested in specifically Airbus failure rates at other carriers.
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Old 09-27-2017, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by flyboyike
I agree, I would add that it helps to be good with systems since our system instruction is fairly limited, and the Bus is a "system-oriented" airplane. This is why I'm interested in specifically Airbus failure rates at other carriers.
The washout rate at Allegiant is almost non existent, and we share the same training center with Spirit in LAS. Our training is also extremely reliant on pilots self studying and self teaching, but our program is longer. Our new hires get 30 days of indoc/ground school, then 10 sessions in an FTD, then 5 sims. I'll let the Spirit guys describe their training, but my understanding is that it's significantly shorter.
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ecam
The washout rate at Allegiant is almost non existent, and we share the same training center with Spirit in LAS. Our training is also extremely reliant on pilots self studying and self teaching, but our program is longer. Our new hires get 30 days of indoc/ground school, then 10 sessions in an FTD, then 5 sims. I'll let the Spirit guys describe their training, but my understanding is that it's significantly shorter.
It sounds somewhat similar but NK gets 4 sims. Also new hire training and checkride at NK is all in the left seat as CA and one of the 4 days in the sim is dedicated to South American flying out of bogota. Bottoms line is that we SHOULD be hiring people who can accomplish those things.
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Old 09-27-2017, 06:08 PM
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4 sim sessions only? Wow, that's gotta be a fire hose for a new hire. I'm currently going through upgrade training on the bus at AA and it's 10 sim sessions and 9 ground school FTD sessions. And that's after 28 hours of self paced systems knowledge learning on the company iPad app before you even show up to the school house.
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Old 09-27-2017, 06:48 PM
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Frontier does 5 FTD and 7 Sims. Checkride and then LOFT.

Pass rate is at least 90%
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Old 09-27-2017, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JetMonkey
4 sim sessions only? Wow, that's gotta be a fire hose for a new hire. I'm currently going through upgrade training on the bus at AA and it's 10 sim sessions and 9 ground school FTD sessions. And that's after 28 hours of self paced systems knowledge learning on the company iPad app before you even show up to the school house.


That's because you have a training program. We have a checking program
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:12 AM
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NO...actually we do 5 FTD.s, 8 SIMS, a PRE CHECK, Checkride and then a LOFT
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