Squeaky banana

Jb and Virgin are in negotiations and the frontier contract is a bankruptcy contract. Don't really count them...

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CRJoperator

So who would you guys use?

Squeaky banana

Dal, swa, ual, Hawaiian and, yes they do use f9 and Virgin and jb, but when you average all those out, it's way higher than where we are right now. Spirit management cannot subsidize their profits off the promise of cheap skilled labor. They could 10 years ago, but this market will not allow it. If they do, they will plant this company in the ground.

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CRJoperator

Really Delta and United? I hope they do use them but I just don't see it. There is ONLY one reason to use Delta and United = Airbus operator but there are multiple reasons not to. Average 12 year CA between all you mentioned comes to ~ $217 per hour. That's only 21% raise from your current 12 year CA pay. Rumor has it you guys were offered 30% already.

Squeaky banana

Lol... You are a troll. Why not dal united. They do the same job, same planes and same routes. I'm not sure where you got your numbers, but that's bunk...

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CRJoperator

Call me whatever you want man. There are many reason why same professions don't pay the same. In your case Spirit is NOT a Legacy Carrier. Spirit is on par with companies such as Allegiant, Alaska, Frontier, JB and Virgin, sorry bud NOT American, Delta, nor United.

Which numbers are you talking about?

In any case I hope ALPA stands their ground and gets you guys a killer contract. Soon!

Squeaky banana

Why would anyone, other than a management troll try and reason that any group of pilots is worth less than another. Your just setting the anchor lower and hurting yourself. Like I said, move along troll!

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CRJoperator

I'm a troll because I'm realistic? That's fine. Best of luck and good luck.

Squeaky banana

Good day...

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Qotsaautopilot

The industry:
Delta
United
American
Alaska/Virgin (actively negotiating and will see an arbitrated contract
in a month so we are making assumptions on what
they will get)
Jetblue (actively negotiating so again we are not going to use current
compensation but make the assumption they will secure large
raises as they've historically been close to the legacies)

Not included:
Frontier (bankruptcy contract and actively negotiating. We don't
include them because coming from bankruptcy you don't
know where they will land and you obviously can't compare a
bankruptcy contract to spirit that has no idea what to do with
all the money.)
Allegiant (for the most part not a competitor as we they don't fly a
similar route map. We are using airlines with the same
planes on the same routes.)

You can't include current compensation from airlines that are negotiating at the same time. It's very reasonable to assume they are negotiating and will secure the same thing we are so you have to use that in the analysis. To prove we were being fair we were using current Alaska and Virgin compensation until the merger and their expedited negotiation process because Virgin was just starting the process on a first contract and to my knowledge Alaska wasn't negotiating yet. Spirit management messed up by allowing the industry to climb again with that merger and as a result our ask went up.

Speaking of the ask:
Industry standard or not if you choose to not agree with our "industry", it is not only affordable it is profitable and spirit could agree to every last word we have proposed and then some and not have to change a thing about how they do business. It's the definition of reasonable. What's unreasonable is expecting a highly skilled workforce that is the backbone of your business to come to work for far less compensation than those at your competition. It's not only unreasonable it's bad management and the shareholders and the board are going to see that sooner or later. Hopefully it's not too late. One thing is for certain, we aren't taking less than industry standard and will walk when the time comes if need be.