Originally Posted by Feng

Good summary. Looking at the big picture though. Traditionally airline costs are 30% for airplanes, 30% for fuel, and 30% for payroll. The first two items the company won't be able to do anything about. The last one though, being the ULCC like it is with low RASM, that's where it'll need to be significantly lower than non ULCC competitors. If they staffed and paid the airline (not just the pilots) like a legacy airline, that profit would shrink away rather quickly.

Hell, even the janitors in Miramar, if they weren't outsourced, can come up with fancy charts and numbers that say if Spirit paid the 10 of them $1 million a year each, it'd still be huuuugely profitable company. But it just ain't gonna happen.

I think you're the only ones counting that retro check, because I doubt anyone cares.

The only thing that matters is what the mediators, arbitrators, the members of NMB, and the president thinks. And if Spirit has indeed proposed wages and work rules similar to it's counterparts, and if they consider the counterparts are Allegiant, Frontier, and Sun Country. There will never be a strike because the company will have deemed to be negotiating in good faith. I'm sure your union will do their best to compare itself to United, Delta, AA...etc, but once the revenue comparisons are laid out, I just don't see it happening.

Good luck though.

Originally Posted by ecam

Wow. Feng. I don't even work for spirit, and reading his "asinine" (see what I did there?) posts annoys me.

There is no way he's an airline pilot since he speaks to undercut the industry. (Maybe a corporate pilot/teachers pet/management wannabe for some Fortune 500 big shots though). He's probably not spirit management, because that would be too obvious, and an unacceptable risk given that this page has been used as evidence in court. No, he's a lawyer. He uses good words. He's good at painting you the picture he wants you to see. I'm guessing he's F&H, but not assigned to spirit, or a staffer at some other union busting law firm, and he's just on here to get his jollies by poking some union pilots in the eye. His concepts come directly out of the F&H union busting playbook for what it's worth. I say the best response is quit feeding the troll, just ignore him and walk away. Every time you reply, it gives him another chance to reply.

I sincerely hope you guys get a great contract.

Originally Posted by ecam

Wow. Feng. I don't even work for spirit, and reading his "asinine" (see what I did there?) posts annoys me.

There is no way he's an airline pilot since he speaks to undercut the industry. (Maybe a corporate pilot/teachers pet/management wannabe for some Fortune 500 big shots though). He's probably not spirit management, because that would be too obvious, and an unacceptable risk given that this page has been used as evidence in court. No, he's a lawyer. He uses good words. He's good at painting you the picture he wants you to see. I'm guessing he's F&H, but not assigned to spirit, or a staffer at some other union busting law firm, and he's just on here to get his jollies by poking some union pilots in the eye. His concepts come directly out of the F&H union busting playbook for what it's worth. I say the best response is quit feeding the troll, just ignore him and walk away. Every time you reply, it gives him another chance to reply.

I sincerely hope you guys get a great contract.

Originally Posted by Feng

HOLY COW!!!

Never have I been acused of being so many things in a single paragraph. A corporate pilot, a ?teacher's pet?, middle manager at a F500, works for FH, staffer at a FH competitor, a lawyer...but not Spirit management. And definitely not an airline pilot.

Thanks for the kind words sir, but have you considered that I use "good" words simply because I'm not a half wit?

Originally Posted by Squeaky banana

Your smart, but your also an idiot to think we believe you are one of us. Just go away moron!

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Originally Posted by Feng

.....sigh.....

Originally Posted by CRJoperator

You guys keep saying "industry standards", which carriers would you use? USDOT Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS.GOV) classifies Spirit in the same group with Frontier, JB, and Virgin. From what I know their salaries are "mediocre" at best.

Originally Posted by Squeaky banana

Another brand new profile trying to manage down our expectations. Are you a troll?

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