Feng

Yeah all that, but low labor cost is still one of the, if not the core principal of an ULCC business. Once there's a contract revenue will increase? What?

I'm not managing anything. In fact I couldn't care less how this turn out, though I do enjoy being right Last I checked this is an open forum for discussing industry topics. That's precisely what I'm doing. Talking about what I think will happen with your contract. You certainly have an opinion on this, though I think it's completely asinine. I'm just here to express mine.

Dised101

Wow...."It's a free country and I got my 1st amendment rights" rebuttal....

The only thing missing is the "drop the mic" exit...

Left Handed

Hahaha! Math is hard!

kspilot

So then Delta's pilots provide different services for every fare class in the plane right?

gatorbird

Senior mediator Pat Simms has defined our peer group as SWA, JetBlue and Alaska/Virgin during her first sessions with both parties.

Her opinion DOES matter.

Squeaky banana

Feng, your like a preacher in a brothel. You just don't belong! Why don't you go back where you came from and tell everyone else your fairy tales.

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Feng

And I whole heartedly agree that her opinion is one of the few that actually does matter unlike the company's, your union's, mine, and yours, and everyone else on this board.

I can't verify the validity of your post of her opinion, it does seem to make sense. Mostly non mega domestic'ish airlines. Thought I don't know if she perhaps also mentioned the likes of Frontier, Allegiant, and Sun Country in there somewhere, because that would make sense also, but you just chose to omit them because it doesn't fit your narrative. Who knows if her opinion has changed since then, given the development that Sun Country recently announced that they're shifting towards an ULCC model as well.

By yeah, her opinion does matter.

And to Qotsa, just because you keep saying it, does not make it any truer. Full retro is simply not industry standard. In just about ANY industry. It sometimes happens, more likely when the negotiations were short and the amounts are small, but most don't for anybody. But keep counting though and that $1.5 million dollar check will be in the mail for everybody in about 7 years.

Slick111

So following her logic, Southwest Airlines, jetBlue Airlines, Alaska, and Spirit Airlines don't directly COMPETE with Delta, United, or American.

I wonder if the management of those Airlines would agree that they don't directly COMPETE with the big three.

Does IGA directly compete with Kroger, Publics, and/or Walmart? Does Geico directly compete with State Farm, Allstate, and Progressive? Does Kia directly compete with Ford, GM, Toyota, and Chrysler? Does the neighborhood drug store directly compete with CVS, Walgreens, or RiteAid?

Apparently not, if we use the logic from Senior Mediator, Pat Simms.

But it's not hard to fathom the idea that a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE may not understand the concept of "competition".

Qotsaautopilot

Feng,

You realize that spirit not securing an industry standard CBA only hurts you as a pilot? Why lower expectations? I personally don't care what you or management or anyone outside this pilot group thinks because we are not going to ratify a deal that is not industry standard. The whole industry!

Scope, pay, retirement, LTD

Squeaky banana

He's a troll, that's why... The beauty of anonymous boards is that he can hide who he is. Management is trying to manage expectations and it isn't going to work. This place makes the shareholder too much money to let it go down. Even with a 45 million loss this summer, they still beat expectations. This place will pay industry standard, it's just a matter of time. Our ceo makes more than swa ceo, so I figure what's good for the goose....

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