kspilot

How does a Delta pilot create more value than a Spirit pilot?

TonyC

Don't be. You've witnessed an unfortunately common phenomenon on internet forums. Neither intelligence nor knowledge of facts are prerequisite to posting and acting like a know-it-all.

Doubt and verify.







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Feng

Because they generate more revenue.

gatorbird

No, the business model generates more revenue. Our jobs in the front of the jet is the same. And don't feed me full of any bull**** about better customer care; most Spirit pilots served a legacy master at one time or another. Or were corporate pilots, who kick all our airline asses in customer care.

hostagetofortun

Yes, I am aware the NMB has programs they have developed to assist them in their mission.
The pertinent part of that mission in this discussion is;
“The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes arising out of the negotiation of new or revised collective bargaining agreements.”
And Yes, the RLA provides protection but does not provide any orders to the NMB or any one else that if in fact a genuine impasse exists between the parties, they are not to be released to self help.
Yes the RLA is the guidance and the NMB is the muscle, no doubt about that. Under the RLA the requirement is to conduct mediation or declare an impasse, they are not directed to settle the issue(s).
They exist to assist the parties in resolution.
Importantly, if your quote above (beginning with Pursuant) exists as a stand alone statement representing the complete definition of the purpose of the NMB then there may just as well be an edict to outlaw strikes altogether. For them to meet a regulatory dictate to avoid any and all interruption to commerce there would be no other way.
The intent of the NMB was not and can not be to usurp the rights of labor, they have just as much final responsibilty to declare an impasse, if one truly exists, as they do to determine a possible future resolution.
The reason the PEB and /or possible congressional interjection exists is to override the rights of (the individual) labor, NOT the NMB.
I don’t believe we are subject to any “rules” that abrogate our rights and I don’t believe that allowing them to delay these negotiations in to multiple years without some union and individual lobbying pointing out the lack of reasonable success with their programs (as you quote above) they presume to force upon you (us) and failure to act in good faith to the benefit of the very people they have been relegated to serve.

I appreciate a different take on this and haven’t had to think it through in many years. Evidently some don’t have that same appreciation.

Feng

Right, and a less revenue business model pays its employees less.

Does a xyz cargo pays its pilots the same as a fedex/ups pilot? Same jobs in the front right?

sgt98c

As with most government entities and programs, the intent and mission of the NMB is for the benefit of all involved parties, including the public as evidenced by my previous quote. However, I think that we both agree that over time the NMB has perhaps veered away from the original intent/mission due to political or economic pressures. Again, as with most if not all government entities and programs.
You stated, "if in fact a genuine impasse exists between the parties, they are not to be released to self help." I believe that you meant "are to be released." The key word here is genuine. An impasse may in fact be declared and the parties not be released. Even if the mediator recommends release, it may not happen. The NMB can halt the mediation process and "ice" the process. Or, the NMB can pull the mediator away from the process completely. Apparently, there is no absolute requirement that the NMB adhere to their very own stated purpose, if it is determined that one or both parties are not being reasonable during the negotiations. Thus, is the impasse genuine?
I think that we agree on the purpose/mission/intent of the NMB; however, I believe that the NMB's priority is protecting commerce. As I stated earlier; by default, this favors management during negotiations. Not by outlawing strikes, but by allowing the process to be so onerous that the time frame benefits everyone except labor.
Thanks for the great conversation.

Squeaky banana

Yep, and spirit has better margins and makes more money than the rest of the industry. Hence I want industry leading! Not standard! Let er rip tater chip!

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Macjet

The more the stock drops the more the company trolls come out to play. Ignore them. Industry standard or let it burn.

Feng

Yes, one of the highest margins in fact. And the way they get that from one of the lowest RASM airlines is because it has one of the lowest CASM.

If CASM increases without revenue increase it'll be one of the least profitable airlines. Hence, you won't see legacy wages without legacy revenues.

Queue someone, "it's been proven by our union that we can get million dollar raises and still be INSANELLY profitable!!!"