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Old 07-14-2017, 04:47 PM
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i hate to break it to you, but nmb will continue negotiations for 1 to 2 years before a release is granted. at the point, a merger will be announced and the negotiations will continue for years more. at least that $30/month assessment will get used.

it's genius actually and will be studied in colleges for years to come on how to squeeze the most out of your employees...
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i hate to break it to you, but nmb will continue negotiations for 1 to 2 years before a release is granted. at the point, a merger will be announced and the negotiations will continue for years more. at least that $30/month assessment will get used.

it's genius actually and will be studied in colleges for years to come on how to squeeze the most out of your employees...
at least alpa will be holding your hand the whole way
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Old 07-14-2017, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SourGrapes
'If alpa was a relationship therapist instead of a useless 'labor' organization, they would advise a woman who is getting beat by her boyfriend to not make him upset so he doesn't beat you more.
Haha. That's funny because it's true.

But in all seriousness, under the RLA, we are at the mercy of the NMB. That's just the way it is. I don't think it is any secret that the company intends to drag this to the 11th hour. I seriously doubt the Mediator is going to let the company slide 'bottom of the industry' proposals across the table for the next year or two. But who knows... they are the only ones who can designate the 11th hour.

I would like to see some picketing and a strike vote though. I hope that those plans are being made.
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I think the "be patient" train left the station a few months ago. We're all allowed to be upset and disappointed at this point. I for one would like to see what managements proposal was, but I'm sure that's never going to happen.
Look at allegiant pay scale and work rules. Im sure that will give you a pretty good idea. Hopefully the mediator told them to come back to the next session with more realistic proposals.
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Old 07-14-2017, 09:46 PM
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Get out there and pick up all that open time so we can get a contract. I had a DFW guy tell me that a couple weeks ago! Working great so far! Because the Union to him to!! Completely doesn't get it!
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Look at allegiant pay scale and work rules. Im sure that will give you a pretty good idea. Hopefully the mediator told them to come back to the next session with more realistic proposals.
Yup, the figure heads here need to realize that in order to keep the ship from sinking you must fix the problem before it's under water. I'm afraid they don't care about the future of the company and they only want to make every dime they can for themselves today. Do you think bob gives a care if this place is underwater in 2 years? No because he has made his money, is ready to retire and would sink this airline for another 458 spider in his garage. Spirit can be an amazing company with tons of growth and profits in the future but we need a visionary who wants to build an empire driving the ship, not a washed up CEO who wants to make his last big check at the expense of the corporation. hell we could have the SWA CEO for 1.2M less , it's time to do what is best for Spirit and it's future, not the few executive staff members who use this as their personal bank account. Pay the staff and they will save you, don't pay the staff and you are gambling something that will ultimately lose in a very sort time frame.
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Yup, the figure heads here need to realize that in order to keep the ship from sinking you must fix the problem before it's under water. I'm afraid they don't care about the future of the company and they only want to make every dime they can for themselves today. Do you think bob gives a care if this place is underwater in 2 years? No because he has made his money, is ready to retire and would sink this airline for another 458 spider in his garage. Spirit can be an amazing company with tons of growth and profits in the future but we need a visionary who wants to build an empire driving the ship, not a washed up CEO who wants to make his last big check at the expense of the corporation. hell we could have the SWA CEO for 1.2M less , it's time to do what is best for Spirit and it's future, not the few executive staff members who use this as their personal bank account. Pay the staff and they will save you, don't pay the staff and you are gambling something that will ultimately lose in a very sort time frame.
This place will never be anything other than what it is now. Maybe a few more planes, but the mentality will stay the same. Mom and pop operation that can't get out of it's own way. Trip over millions of dollars to save a nickel. Underpaid and undertrained personnel in every aspect of the operation.
You may be optimistic thinking things will change here, but I can assure you that places with ineffective leadership don't change. 5-10 years from now if you are still here, you will look back and suddenly realized you are waiting for something great to happen only for it to dawn on you that you just wasted a decade of your life. I'm not going to be that person. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by Flyondawall
This place will never be anything other than what it is now. Maybe a few more planes, but the mentality will stay the same. Mom and pop operation that can't get out of it's own way. Trip over millions of dollars to save a nickel. Underpaid and undertrained personnel in every aspect of the operation.
You may be optimistic thinking things will change here, but I can assure you that places with ineffective leadership don't change. 5-10 years from now if you are still here, you will look back and suddenly realized you are waiting for something great to happen only for it to dawn on you that you just wasted a decade of your life. I'm not going to be that person. Good luck.
Y'all need to review the book they had us read in college:

Waiting for Godot

Sounding more and more appropriate at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

For those without a degree:

SparkNotes: Waiting for Godot
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Y'all need to review the book they had us read in college:

Waiting for Godot

Sounding more and more appropriate at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

For those without a degree:

SparkNotes: Waiting for Godot

You're so smart! Thanks
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Old 07-15-2017, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Y'all need to review the book they had us read in college:

Waiting for Godot

Sounding more and more appropriate at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

For those without a degree:

SparkNotes: Waiting for Godot
haha! That is hilarious! And 100 percent accurate.
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