Originally Posted by an225flyer

I believe your past post you referred to me as a yoyo..that's what I was referring to..I was assuming nothing only going on verifiable past experience..and that's ok you are entitled to your opinion just as I am mine..

To be fair yes I do believe they are capable of negotiating in good faith..I in no way said they are currently..I truly believe based on past experience I have negotiating contracts that neither side is currently negotiating in good faith..the point I was trying to make was that one side will have to break the current cycle and build trust in order for good faith negotiations to take place and a fair agreement to be reached. Based on what I have seen here there is a shared responsibility of both sides to ensure this doesn't continue..you have already seen the result in 2010 and I can only assume you don't want to end up in the same position again.

As for the open time..this is something that I agree with you 100%. The company has failed miserably by allowing this practice to take place. I worked for a similar company once upon a time and we allowed something similar to this and it created a huge problem with open time. Unfortunately that company went under not long after so the full potential of the problem was never realized. I have been checking in on this from time to time over the last year or so and have also seen the trends as you suggest. There is not a person in this business that didn't see this problem coming from 10 miles away and I was very curious to see how the company was going to address it. Unfortunately a portion of the Spirit pilot group decided intimidating their peers was a good idea and got a decent amount of the pilot group to participate..this gave the company exactly the right weapon to fight back with(also a poor decision in my opinion)..you seem like you genuinely didn't have a part in and that was a very smart decision but the reality is this. When the group who set this into motion did what they did it robbed the entire group of hundreds of thousands of dollars maybe more in potential value in whatever agreement that might have been reached. It also delayed the process an unknown amount of time. Damage control should be the primary goal until negotiations resume and once they do then you need to put it behind you as a group and ensure you are doing everything you can as individuals to do the right thing so if the company continues to make mistakes and negotiate in bad faith they will not have anyone to point the finger at but themselves

Originally Posted by Chimpy

Guys, Negotiations haven't been canceled for June. Yes it's a possibility but currently they are not canceled.

I think we should really just call our Reps or P2P guys for information and stay off this website until we have a contract.....

Originally Posted by SourGrapes

yea well f uck that s hit, negotiations are on hold indefinitely...didn't you get mec chair update....well played Harrison Ford, well played

Originally Posted by SourGrapes

wanna bet? i bet u another alpa assessment they won't happen. u see the reserve grid right? i never thought i would witness the absolute pathetic abhorrent uselessness that is the entity known as alpa. if alpa was a parent, they would tell their kid to just keep getting beat until the bully gets tired. yea, you may have organ damage, but at least you won. here's the deal chimpy, alpa will let negotiations drag on for 1 to 2 years, then alpa will have to deal with a merger and years more of "NEGOTIATING".. at least they got that $500,000 plus assessment for that...side note, what does alpa do with the over $10,000,000 per year they get from us normally? what do we get for that?????? maybe that magazine costs more than i thought to print..I hereby propose alpa forgo our 2% tax to make up for our lack of pay raise and representation...good luck with the negotiations chimpy....ps....here is my ip address to save the bully lawyers and bully government entities and judges time----45.287.288.122

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

You are playing right in to Management's hands. The union is legally obligated to put out certain communication and you want to drop ALPA completely. That's not getting you anywhere. Management is trying to divide and conquer. This TRO should only unite us further. What company sues their own employees? Think about the real enemy, it's not your representation. They are simply following the rules put in place by a management friendly judge in a state that hates unions in a country that vilifies unions. The market is with us.

Originally Posted by Beans

Guys/Gals im on your side for getting a raise. I fly for a major US carrier and did my time at a ULCC. The point im trying to make is have realistic expectations. You are at a ULCC and profitable bc of the lower wages than the legacies. Remember this goes far beyond the pilots. The office folks are paid and stafed at a much lower rate as well as gate and ramp personel. If they were to go in and raise wages to UAL or DAL wages for all workers the ship would sink just do the math. The pilots contract alone would cut over 1 billion in profits out of the company over 5 years. Throw in all the other employees wage increases in and you no longer are profitable. Thats the point of being a ULCC and being able to price flights cheep. A big airline makes a much smaller profit but does it on a massive scale with infinit routes so they can offset the smaller margin. I have numerous buds still at Spirit and they went their knowing it was a stepping stone and are getting out. You want big airline wages go to a big airline. When you were hired you knew what Spirit was so to say its a legacy comparable with wages is just an absolute blunder.