Originally Posted by Poppachubby

So your saying as a supposed airline leader your going to do your other airline buddies a solid, and inform them of the potential trouble maker their hiring, and then simply keep the said person for yourself to continue to wreak havoc at the present airline? Awesome.....

Originally Posted by an225flyer

I believe your past post you referred to me as a yoyo..that's what I was referring to..I was assuming nothing only going on verifiable past experience..and that's ok you are entitled to your opinion just as I am mine..

To be fair yes I do believe they are capable of negotiating in good faith..I in no way said they are currently..I truly believe based on past experience I have negotiating contracts that neither side is currently negotiating in good faith..the point I was trying to make was that one side will have to break the current cycle and build trust in order for good faith negotiations to take place and a fair agreement to be reached. Based on what I have seen here there is a shared responsibility of both sides to ensure this doesn't continue..you have already seen the result in 2010 and I can only assume you don't want to end up in the same position again.

As for the open time..this is something that I agree with you 100%. The company has failed miserably by allowing this practice to take place. I worked for a similar company once upon a time and we allowed something similar to this and it created a huge problem with open time. Unfortunately that company went under not long after so the full potential of the problem was never realized. I have been checking in on this from time to time over the last year or so and have also seen the trends as you suggest. There is not a person in this business that didn't see this problem coming from 10 miles away and I was very curious to see how the company was going to address it. Unfortunately a portion of the Spirit pilot group decided intimidating their peers was a good idea and got a decent amount of the pilot group to participate..this gave the company exactly the right weapon to fight back with(also a poor decision in my opinion)..you seem like you genuinely didn't have a part in and that was a very smart decision but the reality is this. When the group who set this into motion did what they did it robbed the entire group of hundreds of thousands of dollars maybe more in potential value in whatever agreement that might have been reached. It also delayed the process an unknown amount of time. Damage control should be the primary goal until negotiations resume and once they do then you need to put it behind you as a group and ensure you are doing everything you can as individuals to do the right thing so if the company continues to make mistakes and negotiate in bad faith they will not have anyone to point the finger at but themselves

Originally Posted by Gearthrower

Don't know if somebody has contact with the moderator here if they do this an225 character should be band for leveling threats against people for their opinions. whether true or not it doesn't matter this O'Melveny & Meyers troll just crossed the line. I encourage all to block his posts he's chump!!

Originally Posted by Stratoclimber

IAJETCAPT, do you really think they'll have the same cancellation problem at the start of June? what would make that happen other than an intentional work slowage by the pilots?