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03-17-2017, 07:21 AM
#422
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A320 Right
Posts: 378
What in the actual heck (toned down for apc / snowflake consumption) are you talking about? What you were calling for six months ago was nothing short of a job action and harassment. I don't remember the mec suggesting and using the same, but even if they did, wouldn't that be your definition of good leadership? You kind of contradict yourself on that one.
As for the friendly P2P conversation, I'm thinking the illegal part would happen right after the "..." in your statement were "Mike" tells the pilot how he can help.
Timeline: wait for the inevitably bad offer from the company. Publish the offer to get everybody worked up (a few here will probably be close to stroking out). Then, at the emotional peak, call a strike vote. All throughout the process making notes of all the company's bad behavior (no shows, being unprepared when they do show, proposals that are rediculous, etc).
They have been building a case for release for over a year now. It's not the time to do something stupid just for the sake of doing something. Not to say we are remotely close to a release, but the stack evidence is growing. It's a frustrating time for all of us but I think the nc is playing the game correctly right now - subject to change of course.
As for the friendly P2P conversation, I'm thinking the illegal part would happen right after the "..." in your statement were "Mike" tells the pilot how he can help.
Timeline: wait for the inevitably bad offer from the company. Publish the offer to get everybody worked up (a few here will probably be close to stroking out). Then, at the emotional peak, call a strike vote. All throughout the process making notes of all the company's bad behavior (no shows, being unprepared when they do show, proposals that are rediculous, etc).
They have been building a case for release for over a year now. It's not the time to do something stupid just for the sake of doing something. Not to say we are remotely close to a release, but the stack evidence is growing. It's a frustrating time for all of us but I think the nc is playing the game correctly right now - subject to change of course.
I don't agree with you that a personal phone call,strictly for informational purposes, is illegal. There are 20-25% of this pilot group that has zero participation in this process. They don't read the emails or listen to the calls. And I suggest these same guys are the very gravy guzzlers we'd like to have on board. Yes, some will be hostile to the information because they want to be ignorant so they can look at themselves in the mirror or they genuinely are clueless. It would be helpful to us all to provide the clueless members with information.
I agree with your suggestion of timing a strike vote. Perhaps this we can agree is not the time yet. However you're operating under the assumption the mediator is going to save us from the company by allowing us to be released. I think there is room to motivate the company before we have to be released.
You may not like my suggestions but they are a proven method. Or we can continue to 'build a case'?
03-17-2017, 07:42 AM
#423
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 259
Got called at midnight late last night. This morning there are trips showing open past show time already! I did notice the note leaving girl on two pairings for today! How is that possible?!
03-17-2017, 08:05 AM
#424
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
I think they have been too slow and too tepid. Besides that I have agreed with and supported their pickets, and calls. They lost more time 'building a case' or whatever euphemism you want to use for being afraid. I am waiting to see how the PR campaign goes.
I don't agree with you that a personal phone call,strictly for informational purposes, is illegal. There are 20-25% of this pilot group that has zero participation in this process. They don't read the emails or listen to the calls. And I suggest these same guys are the very gravy guzzlers we'd like to have on board. Yes, some will be hostile to the information because they want to be ignorant so they can look at themselves in the mirror or they genuinely are clueless. It would be helpful to us all to provide the clueless members with information.
I agree with your suggestion of timing a strike vote. Perhaps this we can agree is not the time yet. However you're operating under the assumption the mediator is going to save us from the company by allowing us to be released. I think there is room to motivate the company before we have to be released.
You may not like my suggestions but they are a proven method. Or we can continue to 'build a case'?
I don't agree with you that a personal phone call,strictly for informational purposes, is illegal. There are 20-25% of this pilot group that has zero participation in this process. They don't read the emails or listen to the calls. And I suggest these same guys are the very gravy guzzlers we'd like to have on board. Yes, some will be hostile to the information because they want to be ignorant so they can look at themselves in the mirror or they genuinely are clueless. It would be helpful to us all to provide the clueless members with information.
I agree with your suggestion of timing a strike vote. Perhaps this we can agree is not the time yet. However you're operating under the assumption the mediator is going to save us from the company by allowing us to be released. I think there is room to motivate the company before we have to be released.
You may not like my suggestions but they are a proven method. Or we can continue to 'build a case'?
As to your suggestions being a proven method, maybe for the UAW or any other union not covered under the RLA. Unfortunately, we are and these are the rules of the game. There is nothing you can do to pressure the company. 1,500 individuals, maybe, but that isn't going to happen. They will draw this out until they want a deal done, or the mediator forces their hand with the threat of release.
Sorry, but that's how it works. The RLA completely favors the company, we occasionally have brief periods of some amount of leverage, but not much. When we started negotiations on what became the 2010 cba the company started out wanting a deal done. So much so that they paid our NC (5 members not 3) to negotiate full time. No alpa fpl. They wanted labor costs locked in for the next 4-10 years because the were looking for financing. Enter Franke and Indigo, they looked at our cba and asked management why the heck do you want to fast track this? Indigo invested, and the company dragged out negotiations all the way to a strike. For a few months there we had leverage and could have gotten a good deal (at the time) quickly. Opportunities like that are rare.
03-17-2017, 08:23 AM
#425
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A-320
Posts: 784
My question is why didn't they lock us in a year and a half ago when we'd have all probably settled for something more akin to JetBlue +some change. Sometimes I think they did us a huge favor for dragging this out to a point where industry average is so much better. I just wonder what the thought process is on all this from a management standpoint. High Five Bendo! We'll all be glad you dragged this out when we finally get this done.
03-17-2017, 10:18 AM
#427
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Da Bus, Left
Posts: 1,567
My question is why didn't they lock us in a year and a half ago when we'd have all probably settled for something more akin to JetBlue +some change. Sometimes I think they did us a huge favor for dragging this out to a point where industry average is so much better. I just wonder what the thought process is on all this from a management standpoint. High Five Bendo! We'll all be glad you dragged this out when we finally get this done.
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