View Poll Results: TA2 vote poll
I am leaning YES
39
36.45%
I am leaning NO
49
45.79%
I am still undecided.
19
17.76%
Voters: 107. You may not vote on this poll
Read the TA, watched the roadshow. I vote...
10-03-2016, 07:09 AM
#21
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 51
Voting NO. There is no good reason not to have the B Fund pay 15% from the beginning. That is industry STANDARD. The LTD is a for sure BANKRUPTCY for your family. It MUST be fixed. QOL items that I would suggest are standard in the industry: Hotel quality, Real crew meals, Uniform allowance, Paid parking, etc
We are not complaining about the pay rates even though they lag...
We are not complaining about the pay rates even though they lag...
10-03-2016, 08:02 AM
#22
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Capt
Posts: 56
Delta 73 Pay rates
Delta's B737 Captain pay rates based on the as yet to be ratified TA are unofficially approximated below. The TA AIP has an 18% raise on 1/1/16, a 3% raise on 1/1/17 and 1/1/18, and a 4% raise on 1/1/19. No change to profit sharing, no change to RJ scope, DC contribution increases to 16% on 1/1/2017. Full retro pay to 1/1/2016. Our profit sharing formula also allows for a 16% DC contribution on top of it. If a pilots PS check is say $50,000 then they get a $7500 DC contribution as well. Hope this helps.
1/1/2016
B737-700/800 $256/hr
B737-900 $259/hr
1/1/2017
B737-700/800 $264/hr
B737-900 $266/hr
1/1/2018
B737-700/800 $272/hr
B737-900 $274/hr
1/1/2019
B737-700/800 $283/hr
B737-900 $285/hr
1/1/2016
B737-700/800 $256/hr
B737-900 $259/hr
1/1/2017
B737-700/800 $264/hr
B737-900 $266/hr
1/1/2018
B737-700/800 $272/hr
B737-900 $274/hr
1/1/2019
B737-700/800 $283/hr
B737-900 $285/hr
10-03-2016, 09:05 AM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 374
My thoughts exactly! I have a lot of time left here and am more than happy to wait it out until Gary gets the message that he can no longer treat labor like 2'nd class citizens while management cashes record bonus checks.
10-03-2016, 09:28 AM
#25
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,776
I was initially reserved...
After watching HOU Roadshow, I leaned slightly to the yes side, but with a HUGE reservation over how reserve pay would be handled. I am simply blown away that the company even had the gall to ask to delay pay implementation of reserve until April and SWAPA not laughing them out of the building.
Now with Delta TA... I'm in the solid NO camp. However, I firmly believe that TA2 will pass by the same margin that TA1 failed even if JW recommends a NO vote in light of Delta TA.
All other major employee groups at Southwest have industry-LEADING contracts while pilots seem OK with having mediocre contract lagging behind our peers in some industry-norms. But we sure do lead the industry in rationalizing...
Oh well...
After watching HOU Roadshow, I leaned slightly to the yes side, but with a HUGE reservation over how reserve pay would be handled. I am simply blown away that the company even had the gall to ask to delay pay implementation of reserve until April and SWAPA not laughing them out of the building.
Now with Delta TA... I'm in the solid NO camp. However, I firmly believe that TA2 will pass by the same margin that TA1 failed even if JW recommends a NO vote in light of Delta TA.
All other major employee groups at Southwest have industry-LEADING contracts while pilots seem OK with having mediocre contract lagging behind our peers in some industry-norms. But we sure do lead the industry in rationalizing...
Oh well...
10-03-2016, 10:40 AM
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,803
Just got the SWAPA email. Sounds like they're going to press the company for improvements before a vote on the TA & they have the leverage, BUT we need to give them the support they need to get the job done by all being firm NO votes. I don't want to get too cocky, but me thinks we've got 'em by the balls.
10-03-2016, 10:56 AM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 374
Wack, Casey alluded to some additional leverage at a roadshow I attended. It seems the company forgot to include the secret MOU of airlines they can partner with this time around. Nearly every potential South American partner falls under the state owned banner, Avianca, Copa etc. We have them by the balls with the Max, and now section 1 as well. I'm in wait and see mode.
10-03-2016, 11:13 AM
#28
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,803
Yup. Unless something catastrophic happens with the economy or SWA in the immediate future, I think this will go down as the perfect storm in many of our careers as far as the negotiating environment against the company and pilot leverage. I'd be really sad to see it get pi$$ed away.
10-03-2016, 11:22 AM
#30
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,027
The implementation schedule of certain pay and work rules due to our archaic IT is ridiculous. I'm not sure why last week the TA2 was great and now that delta has an AIP it's no longer good enough. Everyone had to know that delta was going to get something like this in the near future.
Hopefully they can go back and ask to fix some issues and have it out to vote only a couple weeks later.
Add another 3% on snap up. Make the B fund 15% right off the bat not have to wait 3 yrs to get there and make all pay improvements effective date of signing not 6 months later when IT can figure it out.
Hopefully they can go back and ask to fix some issues and have it out to vote only a couple weeks later.
Add another 3% on snap up. Make the B fund 15% right off the bat not have to wait 3 yrs to get there and make all pay improvements effective date of signing not 6 months later when IT can figure it out.
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