Southwest Hiring Info 2016
09-06-2016, 10:28 AM
#2421
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,027
I actually averaged 114 for those 2 months, but who's counting.
If you want to use "SWApA Math" to average out my pay, why not just divide 138 by one, and tell everyone I "averaged" 138 per month?
That sounds so much better than the 96 tfp or so I've averaged this year, including the 138 in Aug.
You should run for a SWApA position. Oh wait, we got rid of most of the SWApA-gandists.
09-06-2016, 10:36 AM
#2422
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,027
If you aim to only work 12 days a month it makes sense that you would get around 90-95 TFP. Just another data point for the lurkers, but I'm a measly middle of the road blank line holder and I look for 16-18 days off a month and easily average 110-115. Granted, I tweak my schedule a bit to make it happen.
My point is that 108 is about 20 tfp OVER the min contractual guarantee and about 8-10 tfp over what the vast majority of the lines pay out of the gate.
If you're getting significantly more, you're working proportionally more to get it, unless, of course, you can play the "Premium" game. In that case, you may not be AT work proportionally more, but you're gonna have to spend a considerable amount of your time, even when you're not at work manipulating your schedule (as in "clearing your board"), just making yourself legal so you might be able to get a few good paying premium trips.
If you're averaging 108 tfp or more every month (and not just in the good paying months) you are working more than your line and far above the guarantee.
Using 108 tfp to compare what we make to OALs min guarantee is disingenuous, at best.
09-06-2016, 10:53 AM
#2423
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 508
Southwest Hiring Info 2016
My point is that 108 is about 20 tfp OVER the min contractual guarantee and about 8-10 tfp over what the vast majority of the lines pay out of the gate.
If you're getting significantly more, you're working proportionally more to get it, unless, of course, you can play the "Premium" game.
If you're averaging 108 tfp or more every month (and not just in the good paying months) you are working more than your line and far above the guarantee.
Using 108 tfp to compare what we make to OALs min guarantee is disingenuous, at best.
If you're getting significantly more, you're working proportionally more to get it, unless, of course, you can play the "Premium" game.
If you're averaging 108 tfp or more every month (and not just in the good paying months) you are working more than your line and far above the guarantee.
Using 108 tfp to compare what we make to OALs min guarantee is disingenuous, at best.
I'm in no way disputing anything you're saying, especially in regards to comparing ourselves to OAL min guarantee (although I would argue that it takes us fewer days to achieve it). MY point was just to illustrate that with a little creativity, you can easily enhance your awarded line well above guarantee and still work fewer days than at OALs. Then again, with my juniority, I don't have the luxury of solely flying weekdays, so I'm probably not nearly as picky as you.
On a side note, I'm hoping the proposed removal of the duty period cap on the lance captain program in the AIP will grease the wheels even further in our scheduling flexibility.
Last edited by Burton78; 09-06-2016 at 11:08 AM.
09-06-2016, 12:56 PM
#2424
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,027
I'm in no way disputing anything you're saying, especially in regards to comparing ourselves to OAL min guarantee (although I would argue that it takes us fewer days to achieve it). MY point was just to illustrate that with a little creativity, you can easily enhance your awarded line well above guarantee and still work fewer days than at OALs. Then again, with my juniority, I don't have the luxury of solely flying weekdays, so I'm probably not nearly as picky as you.
On a side note, I'm hoping the proposed removal of the duty period cap on the lance captain program in the AIP will grease the wheels even further in our scheduling flexibility.
On a side note, I'm hoping the proposed removal of the duty period cap on the lance captain program in the AIP will grease the wheels even further in our scheduling flexibility.
The 108tfp "average" that SWApA used for years when comparing us to OALs is a huge bone of contention with me, because, unless you play the premium game, which has it's own downsides, you absolutely have to work extra days over your awarded line to get anywhere near that.
We already fly far more than our brethren at OALs, and personally, I don't have any issue with that, since I like getting as much flying ($) done in as few days as possible, but it would be nice if that productivity were rewarded.
09-06-2016, 01:28 PM
#2426
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,027
Having the ability to do so is of course, dependent on what you're starting out with every month.
09-06-2016, 01:56 PM
#2427
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: CA
Posts: 1,207
MY point was just to illustrate that with a little creativity, you can easily enhance your awarded line well above guarantee and still work fewer days than at OALs. Then again, with my juniority, I don't have the luxury of solely flying weekdays, so I'm probably not nearly as picky as you.
I prefer to work Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday (obviously I don't always get awarded that). ELITT is virtually useless to me after the first five minutes of it opening. I am usually awarded weekday flying and unless I'm willing to trade that in for working the weekends there is virtually nothing available to trade into. I am unable to trade into higher paying or more desirable trips because there just isn't any available weekday flying in the open time inventory.
09-06-2016, 02:12 PM
#2428
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,027
Be prepared for that creativity to begin to disappear as you get more senior unless you are willing to work weekends to preserve that creativity.
I prefer to work Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday (obviously I don't always get awarded that). ELITT is virtually useless to me after the first five minutes of it opening. I am usually awarded weekday flying and unless I'm willing to trade that in for working the weekends there is virtually nothing available to trade into. I am unable to trade into higher paying or more desirable trips because there just isn't any available weekday flying in the open time inventory.
I prefer to work Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday (obviously I don't always get awarded that). ELITT is virtually useless to me after the first five minutes of it opening. I am usually awarded weekday flying and unless I'm willing to trade that in for working the weekends there is virtually nothing available to trade into. I am unable to trade into higher paying or more desirable trips because there just isn't any available weekday flying in the open time inventory.
There are roughly 10 weekday, 12 day PM lines for the entire month. There are a roughly the same amount of 15 day weekday, 3 day lines, for a total of around 95 tfp for October, with an overlap into Nov, and the added bonus of the lost flexibility due to the extra 3 day on your board.
09-06-2016, 02:57 PM
#2429
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,832
Exactly. On the reserve side there was only 2 lines that didn't touch a weekend day. A lot had every weekend day for the month. I don't see why there can't be any more weekday reserve since there is always reserve in open time during the week.
As far as dropping a reserve block it hasn't happened for me yet. 1 day? sure.
As far as dropping a reserve block it hasn't happened for me yet. 1 day? sure.
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