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Old 06-08-2016, 03:56 PM
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3250 currently at Jetblue.
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Old 06-09-2016, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I still put my money on Spirit before JetBlue.
Maybe. Interesting dynamic as their costs are lower than ours. Financial balancing act of additive revenue vs increased costs vs elimination of a competitor. Since spirits revenue model is almost completely different than WN, I would question the efficacy of that deal
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Old 06-09-2016, 08:26 AM
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Well if SWA wants Spirit they'd better hurry before they merge with Frontier. I can see a case being made of eliminating a competitor in the Carib, Latin America, S. America market but I'm convinced that someone is buying JBA and there's a good chance it'll be SWA. BOS & NYC gates and SWA doesn't have a significant presence in either? Come on....
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Old 06-09-2016, 08:43 AM
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Anyone who has flown on JB knows that they are an aspirational brand - Target to our Walmart. Millenials think it's hip and trendy and love to Tweet about it. Their airplanes and gate areas are clean, their cabin offerings are an order of magnitude better. They simply are not compatible.

Their NYC management is liberal, ours is conservative. They invest heavily in technology, whereas we lag the industry in technology. (Their E190s have dual HUDs as a quick example. Their ACARS has substantially greater functionality)

I fear if we merged with them it would just be a real estate deal. We could earn many of the same benefits from Spirit and have a more compatible brand.

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Old 06-09-2016, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Anyone who has flown on JB knows that they are an aspirational brand - Target to our Walmart. Millenials think it's hip and trendy and love to Tweet about it. Their airplanes and gate areas are clean, their cabin offerings are an order of magnitude better. They simply are not compatible.

Their NYC management is liberal, ours is conservative. They invest heavily in technology, whereas we lag the industry in technology. (Their E190s have dual HUDs as a quick example. Their ACARS has substantially greater functionality)

I fear if we merged with them it would just be a real estate deal. We could earn many of the same benefits from Spirit and have a more compatible brand.
It would be a real estate deal. That's why Southwest buys any Airline. Spirit has absolutely nothing of value that Southwest would want. JetBlue on the other hand....
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Old 06-10-2016, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Anyone who has flown on JB knows that they are an aspirational brand - Target to our Walmart. Millenials think it's hip and trendy and love to Tweet about it. Their airplanes and gate areas are clean, their cabin offerings are an order of magnitude better. They simply are not compatible.

Their NYC management is liberal, ours is conservative. They invest heavily in technology, whereas we lag the industry in technology. (Their E190s have dual HUDs as a quick example. Their ACARS has substantially greater functionality)

I fear if we merged with them it would just be a real estate deal. We could earn many of the same benefits from Spirit and have a more compatible brand.
You bring up some legitimate contrasts between the airlines (though I question the liberal vs. conservative mgmt one), none of which has any real bearing on the business case for an acquisition. Witness Alaska buying Virgin America: check back in five years and I'd venture that button-down AK will be the surviving brand, not hip VX....too bad, so sad Millennials. As Saluki said, it's ALL about the real-estate! Just like with AirTran, if SWA buys another airline, they will break out the really big eraser and eliminate ANY traces of the acquired brand, whether it's 'aspirational' or retrograde. It will be fully absorbed into the Borg.

Sounds like a great future opportunity for Zuckerberg to launch Air Facebook.
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Old 06-10-2016, 01:19 PM
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Not immediately but a little down the road SWA and AS/VX?
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:26 PM
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May be a dumb question but why not just buy Frontier and take over all those DEN gates?
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:20 PM
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Been offered an interview with SWA after having been at an ULCC for 6 months. Not young as I'm in my early 50s. Many years of Military time. Upgrade time is about 2-3 years at ULCC but pay sucks. Any thoughts welcome. Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:51 PM
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Been offered an interview with SWA after having been at an ULCC for 6 months. Not young as I'm in my early 50s. Many years of Military time. Upgrade time is about 2-3 years at ULCC but pay sucks. Any thoughts welcome. Thanks in advance.
Are you gonna commute? How important is that 4th stripe to you? Would you rather make more and be an FO at SWA or earn less and be a captain at your ULCC?
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