SWA Rumor Mill
11-16-2013, 07:52 PM
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DL is looking to expand competition at DAL- I'm not seeing any demanding going on. You seem a bit fussy about that.
Nothing is preventing WN from going to DFW after the WA drops... they should request gates there, however they seem quite happy with their virtual monopoly at DAL.
Nothing is preventing WN from going to DFW after the WA drops... they should request gates there, however they seem quite happy with their virtual monopoly at DAL.
11-17-2013, 07:04 AM
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How so? No one wanted anything to do with Love Field before the restrictions were repealed. Now they do, and they want gates given to them? Perhaps DAL should have established and maintained a presence there.
How is SWA (hypothetically) demanding gates at DFW any different?
By the way, nothing is preventing DAL from using the gate(s) they have now.
How is SWA (hypothetically) demanding gates at DFW any different?
By the way, nothing is preventing DAL from using the gate(s) they have now.
And before all the low hanging fruit was gone, SWA wanted nothing to do with LGA, and EWR, and ATL, and BOS, and DCA, and........
Here's a deal for you... you stay out of all those places, and you can keep DAL.
11-17-2013, 08:13 AM
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I'm sure the folks in Dallas are chomping at the bit for 50-seat/GoJet -700 service out of Love. Gotta hide those wonderful airframes somewhere.
11-17-2013, 12:03 PM
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Back to DL they also made public that they wanted DCA gates and some at LGA, Did they just not complete a swap with US Airways... gave up alot of gates in DCA for more in LGA. Now they want those back. The lead attorney in the suit DOJ vs AA/US indicted that he wanted those slot controlled gates as well as the gates at DAL, ORD, BOS and MIA to go to carriers other than legacy mentioning Delta by name.
I guess we will see shortly what DL gets. I assume that SWA will be inline for DCA and LGA. Wonder if they will go as high this time as JETBLUE paid last time, if memory is correct in the neighbor hood of 42 Million US DOLLARS for 8 slots in DCA alone. Not sure about the LGA. prices.
News flash.
SWA is no longer an LCC.
SWA is no longer a regional Texas hauler
SWA is no longer a national airline as well.
SWA is a major airline and a legacy in nature. Sure the other legacys are older, but they are identical in classification as majors.
Spirt, Virgin America, Allegiant, these are LCC's.
Think again if you really believe SWA is in line for DCA and LGA.
Oh, and the CEO better get over his identity crisis too. Not charging for unbundled fees is leaving hundreds of millions, if not a billion + off the books.
11-17-2013, 12:52 PM
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"The Reagan National and LaGuardia slots will be sold under procedures approved by the department. Under the terms of the settlement, JetBlue at Reagan National and Southwest at LaGuardia will be given the opportunity to acquire the slots they currently lease from Amercan. The remaining 88 slots at Reagan National and 24 slots at LaGuardia plus any JetBlue or Southwest decline to acquire will be grouped into bundles, taking into account specific slot times to ensure commercially viable and competitive patterns of service for the recipients of the divested slots. The parties will divest these slot bundles and all rights and interests in any gates and other ground facilities (e.g., ticket counters, baggage handling facilities, office space and loading bridges) as necessary to support the use of the purchased slots."
USDOJ: Justice Department Requires US Airways and American Airlines to Divest Facilities at Seven Key Airports to Enhance System-wide Competition and Settle Merger Challenge
11-17-2013, 04:55 PM
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It comes down to this: AA and the politicians set up the rules to punish SWA for refusing to serve DFW and pay the high landing fees and rent, essentially banishing them to Love with a ton of restrictions that they figured would run them out of business. It didn't work. Now said restrictions are going away and SWA is still around, albeit a little bigger airline then they were in 1979. Having held up their end of the deal, SWA is ready to realize the massive efficiencies and revenue that are long overdue. Out of left field, Delta shows up and demands gates on the premise of it being fair. It's a flawed argument.
The government ordered DFW to be built and ordered the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth to limit flights out of the existing airports of Love and Meacham. The limits forced the existing majors to move to DFW and the airlines signed an agreement to move. AFTER that move agreement was signed by the existing airlines, SWA was created and operated out of the now almost abandoned Love Field. Exactly how is that "essentially banishing SWA to Love?" SWA wouldn't even exist without the existing majors being banished to DFW.
Regarding SWA having held up their end of the deal, they've enjoyed an incredible insulation from competition at Dallas' close in airport because the other majors couldn't breach their agreement and move back to Love. How is that holding up their end of the deal? SWA didn't exist when the deal to move was struck. SWA took advantage of the abandoned close in airport situation and created a great airline that was protected from competition during its formative years. SWA wouldn't exist were it not for these series of very good legislative fortune.
Now the legislation is almost gone. As such, other airlines will want a presence. Deregulation demands it.
Carl
11-17-2013, 05:01 PM
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How so? No one wanted anything to do with Love Field before the restrictions were repealed. Now they do, and they want gates given to them? Perhaps DAL should have established and maintained a presence there.
How is SWA (hypothetically) demanding gates at DFW any different?
By the way, nothing is preventing DAL from using the gate(s) they have now.
How is SWA (hypothetically) demanding gates at DFW any different?
By the way, nothing is preventing DAL from using the gate(s) they have now.
Carl
11-17-2013, 05:05 PM
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