Frank Rizzo

Wack,

Most of these clowns will never see this for what it is.

There has NEVER been a more one sided seniority integration among two profitable major airlines in all of history. Never has every captain lost his/her seat on airframes they are bringing to the combined company. Never have threats been used my management of the acquiring airline in an effort to avoid a fair, arbitrated SLI. Never has every hardship been placed on one group..."NO SW PILOT WILL BE HARMED" Management and SWAPA have created animosity and resentment that will last for many years, decades for some. The truly ****ed off AT pilots are still on the AT side, it's only going to get worse as they are forced over.

BTW, my pay now $183/hr, not $174. We got a raise on 12/1. Someone go ahead and tell me how I'm not going to take a $40K pay cut when I'm kicked out of the capt seat I've held for almost 15 years so some deserving SW FO can take it.

SlipKid

Funny, I have flown with half a dozen former AT Capts. since they've been making the jump. I've had this discussion with every one of them, since it comes up on the forums so often.

A few are gaming the system, using their rockstar domicile seniority to work an extra 2-3 days per month and making more than they were at AT, even after Gary's raise. The ones who are working more or less the same days are breaking even, plus or minus a little, and the only ones who've taken a pay cut are those that are working less.

On the other side of the cockpit, every former AT FO I've flown with is making a ton more, working less days than they were at AT, even after Gary's raise.

See above.

SlipKid

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There's some irony.......

You should've voted yes on the first offer.

You didn't want them, as indicated by you overplaying your hand by turning down the first offer.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Well, we see how that turned out....

Yup. Many SW guys are ****ed at both management AND SWApA.

The truly ****ed off SW guys are already over here.

What was your pay on 9/27/10? Your pay cut would've been a lot smaller had GK not gotten you that raise.

The irony here is that you wouldn't even be taking any pay cut had you not overplayed your hand and voted yes on the first offer. Instead, you'd have gotten a huge raise several years ago.

I'm sure, somehow, that is SWApA's fault too.

Frank Rizzo

The pilots never got to vote for the first offer. Our MEC turned it down, and rightfully so, it was an insulting slap in the face. Thats the way our system works. The merger committee negotiates autonomously and the MEC either approves the end result or rejects it. The seniority loss on our side was much greater than what the lawyers and MEC reasonably expected we would have achieved in arbitration, so it was rejected. This somehow insulted Gary? He knew how our process worked.

Our only mistake is that we thought we were dealing with honorable people. Clearly we were wrong in that respect.

Frank Rizzo

This has to be one of the most stupid comments ever.

You know we rejected higher rates in a previous TA, right? Sure you do.

SlipKid

I take it you've not read much of your own or WM's......

Irrelevant.

What WERE your rates on 9/27/10, the day the acquisition was announced? When did you miraculously get your current rates, and if they were so bad, why did you accept them post 9/27?

SlipKid

Yup.... it was insulting. To the SW pilots. We'd have still voted for it, because that's what we do, but I'll wager it would've been by far less of a percentage than on the AT side.

How'd that work out for you?

And yet, a completely neutral arbiter 9long after the fact) saw it as overplaying your hand.

He wanted a quick and dirty SLI, which is why the first fofer was so ridiculously in your favor. He knew the SW lemmings would jump off the cliff to vote yes, but was more worried about the militant AT guys. When you rejected it, he was probably ecstatic.

I'm not gonna even go down that road, because I don't trust any management, including SW.

But.

What part of the PA was not adhered to. You guys dragged your feet before rejecting the first offer. A counter offer was made, and it was accepted, by an overwhelming margin on both sides. If you wanted to go to arbitration, then why would you vote for such a bad deal?

Oh, I know, "threats".... You overplayed the hand you were dealt, and are now paying the consequences. Somehow, that became MY fault.

Scout

Like yourself, Wack could two schits about you or anyone else. When you move over to SWA you can make as little as you can afford to, or you can up your productivity an earn more, it's all up to you. Most of what you and the Wack spew here are half-truths or outright lies. If you disagree, then be sure and bring up ALL of these things on your first day in the SWA training center. The sooner you clear the air and have your say the better. I only wish I could be there....

WHACKMASTER

How exactly are we lying? This whole-truth about all but our super senior Cptns (& only those that partake in the premium pay game) taking a pay cut is suddenly turning into an inconvenient truth, isn't it?

I've talked to many former AT Cptns that have had to downgrade when transitioning over. Apples to apples (same # of days worked a month) it's almost universally a noticeable pay cut. How many have you talked to about this subject? Maybe YOU'RE the liar.

WHACKMASTER

As for the rest of the pie in the sky bullschit that you're all spewing, let me say this:

We had a 99% YES to authorize a strike vote with an over 98% participation rate. I've done a lot of union work in my past especially in that department and feel confident that we would have gotten the contract we did or better with or without this screwj......I mean merger happening. That level of unity is more than can be said for SWAPA pilots. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the company just flat out refuses to give anything other than flattish (which is what is happening).

WRT accepting the first POS, I mean AIP.......let me get this straight. You wanted me to vote YES on an agreement where I lost 33% relative seniority and four years date of hire? You are completely out of your effing minds. Maybe, MAYBE if my company was about to fold but certainly not under the circumstances at the time.

How to even reason with you idiots?! Sure, I'll be happy to lose a third of my relative seniority and four years from DOH. Where do I sign up?

You're out of your minds.