Hiring -- have the calls started yet
12-14-2013, 04:55 PM
#111
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
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MaxPowers. Same to you.........if you find yourself in a crappy situation, take ownership and fix it............life is too short to be a negative nancy. I don't remember ever saying I was going to the 121 world..........the more I read the whining from this group, the more I'm reminded to stay away.
I've never seen this level of bickering in the military ranks, no matter if you are a brand new guy or a senior chief pilot type. It's no big deal flying with someone in the "right seat" who has more experience that you do. I've cross flowed to multiple types of aircraft where I've had less "experienced" guys in charge and vice versa. We all work together towards the common goal.
Please take this rage and start a new thread titled "I hate my job and I should move on, but won't, I just want to complain"
I've never seen this level of bickering in the military ranks, no matter if you are a brand new guy or a senior chief pilot type. It's no big deal flying with someone in the "right seat" who has more experience that you do. I've cross flowed to multiple types of aircraft where I've had less "experienced" guys in charge and vice versa. We all work together towards the common goal.
Please take this rage and start a new thread titled "I hate my job and I should move on, but won't, I just want to complain"
12-15-2013, 10:45 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: KC135 IP
Posts: 398
12-15-2013, 11:45 AM
#115
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Position: KC135 IP
Posts: 398
To the New Hires welcome
To the military guys who are looking at this take a step back, take a breath and relax. This seems much more dysfunctional than it is. Everywhere there are people who are, and can not be happy.
I am an AT FO with 12 years active duty and 12 year reserve. I know how this looks to you. Unions will become a big part of your life like it or not.
I have some major disappointments (putting it mildly) but I am putting it behind me (still some irritations, but that is more to do with the ground operations than the merger).
I figure if I do not like it I can go somewhere else. That said I am not going to complain about it because it is a choice I have made.
My reason for staying are many. When I cross over I will have over a 1,500 guys below me. I will be able to get a domicile near my home, I will get a 40% pay raise. Hopefully some job stability with a company that makes money. That said I will like only make captain just before I retire (12-18 years depending on growth)
Lets face it the AT guys got hosed. No reach around. That said griping about it does no good. We are pilots however, and will complain. We like control and get upset when it is taken out of our hands.
Before you go to SWA ask yourself where you want to be 15 years from now. I know getting out of the military you think a good paying job is key, and it is but there is a lot that goes with it.
Having dealt with the SWA side (ground ops) and the AT side I can say I preferred the OPs at AT. Variety of reasons, but really it all come down to attitude, sense of urgency, and getting the plane pushed on time. Understand also AT had/has its own issues.
SWA has many inefficiencies built into their system. I am sure there are good reasons for them but I suspect most are technology related and because of a certain arrogance. Many would say that arrogance is deserved but really it just gets in the way of innovation.
I really believe (I hope) SWA is on the verge of a major change. I commute a lot on many different products and if SWA wants to be competitive it will have to change or lose money. With a leaner and meaner industry and SWA is no long the low cost carrier it was, it will have to adapt. SWA was long the underdog and now it has grown up. With growth comes change.
A lot is made about the culture. I am sure it is great. For the most part SWA people I meet are very nice. I am an outsider and I am treated as such. I find if I treat people with respect (one on one) I get it returned. I really do not have much to complain about vis a vis the SWA pilots I have met and I look forward to flying with them. My issues most deal with ground ops. Yeah we got hosed but I am past that. I can't fix it. I can only do the best job I can and hope it makes a difference. Yeah I know I have the boy-scout attitude but I think that is what is needed
Remember when dealing with people, reading posts there are the 10%-ers everywhere and they create 99% of the dysfunction.
I do a good job at AT and I will do a great job at SWA, but that is more my personal ethic when approaching any job, than a result of any certain culture.
Remember an airline is a business and its goal is to make money and that should focus your perspective. If you think you will kick back in your airline job and enjoy the good life you may be mistaken. Working for an airline is definitely work. Some days harder than others but nothing will come your way for free. You will be away from home. You will ask "what are they thinking?" You will have to deal with a million moving parts of the system.
I am looking forward to joining SWA but with a cautious attitude.
Good luck to all who apply, look forward to meeting those that are hired, and lets all succeed going forward. With success will come growth with growth we will have a happier pilot group.
Take Care
Boogie
I am an AT FO with 12 years active duty and 12 year reserve. I know how this looks to you. Unions will become a big part of your life like it or not.
I have some major disappointments (putting it mildly) but I am putting it behind me (still some irritations, but that is more to do with the ground operations than the merger).
I figure if I do not like it I can go somewhere else. That said I am not going to complain about it because it is a choice I have made.
My reason for staying are many. When I cross over I will have over a 1,500 guys below me. I will be able to get a domicile near my home, I will get a 40% pay raise. Hopefully some job stability with a company that makes money. That said I will like only make captain just before I retire (12-18 years depending on growth)
Lets face it the AT guys got hosed. No reach around. That said griping about it does no good. We are pilots however, and will complain. We like control and get upset when it is taken out of our hands.
Before you go to SWA ask yourself where you want to be 15 years from now. I know getting out of the military you think a good paying job is key, and it is but there is a lot that goes with it.
Having dealt with the SWA side (ground ops) and the AT side I can say I preferred the OPs at AT. Variety of reasons, but really it all come down to attitude, sense of urgency, and getting the plane pushed on time. Understand also AT had/has its own issues.
SWA has many inefficiencies built into their system. I am sure there are good reasons for them but I suspect most are technology related and because of a certain arrogance. Many would say that arrogance is deserved but really it just gets in the way of innovation.
I really believe (I hope) SWA is on the verge of a major change. I commute a lot on many different products and if SWA wants to be competitive it will have to change or lose money. With a leaner and meaner industry and SWA is no long the low cost carrier it was, it will have to adapt. SWA was long the underdog and now it has grown up. With growth comes change.
A lot is made about the culture. I am sure it is great. For the most part SWA people I meet are very nice. I am an outsider and I am treated as such. I find if I treat people with respect (one on one) I get it returned. I really do not have much to complain about vis a vis the SWA pilots I have met and I look forward to flying with them. My issues most deal with ground ops. Yeah we got hosed but I am past that. I can't fix it. I can only do the best job I can and hope it makes a difference. Yeah I know I have the boy-scout attitude but I think that is what is needed
Remember when dealing with people, reading posts there are the 10%-ers everywhere and they create 99% of the dysfunction.
I do a good job at AT and I will do a great job at SWA, but that is more my personal ethic when approaching any job, than a result of any certain culture.
Remember an airline is a business and its goal is to make money and that should focus your perspective. If you think you will kick back in your airline job and enjoy the good life you may be mistaken. Working for an airline is definitely work. Some days harder than others but nothing will come your way for free. You will be away from home. You will ask "what are they thinking?" You will have to deal with a million moving parts of the system.
I am looking forward to joining SWA but with a cautious attitude.
Good luck to all who apply, look forward to meeting those that are hired, and lets all succeed going forward. With success will come growth with growth we will have a happier pilot group.
Take Care
Boogie
12-15-2013, 12:48 PM
#116
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B-717 FO / C-17 AC
Posts: 2,467
To the military guys who are looking at this take a step back, take a breath and relax. This seems much more dysfunctional than it is. Everywhere there are people who are, and can not be happy.
I am an AT FO with 12 years active duty and 12 year reserve. I know how this looks to you. Unions will become a big part of your life like it or not.
I have some major disappointments (putting it mildly) but I am putting it behind me (still some irritations, but that is more to do with the ground operations than the merger).
I figure if I do not like it I can go somewhere else. That said I am not going to complain about it because it is a choice I have made.
My reason for staying are many. When I cross over I will have over a 1,500 guys below me. I will be able to get a domicile near my home, I will get a 40% pay raise. Hopefully some job stability with a company that makes money. That said I will like only make captain just before I retire (12-18 years depending on growth)
Lets face it the AT guys got hosed. No reach around. That said griping about it does no good. We are pilots however, and will complain. We like control and get upset when it is taken out of our hands.
Before you go to SWA ask yourself where you want to be 15 years from now. I know getting out of the military you think a good paying job is key, and it is but there is a lot that goes with it.
Having dealt with the SWA side (ground ops) and the AT side I can say I preferred the OPs at AT. Variety of reasons, but really it all come down to attitude, sense of urgency, and getting the plane pushed on time. Understand also AT had/has its own issues.
SWA has many inefficiencies built into their system. I am sure there are good reasons for them but I suspect most are technology related and because of a certain arrogance. Many would say that arrogance is deserved but really it just gets in the way of innovation.
I really believe (I hope) SWA is on the verge of a major change. I commute a lot on many different products and if SWA wants to be competitive it will have to change or lose money. With a leaner and meaner industry and SWA is no long the low cost carrier it was, it will have to adapt. SWA was long the underdog and now it has grown up. With growth comes change.
A lot is made about the culture. I am sure it is great. For the most part SWA people I meet are very nice. I am an outsider and I am treated as such. I find if I treat people with respect (one on one) I get it returned. I really do not have much to complain about vis a vis the SWA pilots I have met and I look forward to flying with them. My issues most deal with ground ops. Yeah we got hosed but I am past that. I can't fix it. I can only do the best job I can and hope it makes a difference. Yeah I know I have the boy-scout attitude but I think that is what is needed
Remember when dealing with people, reading posts there are the 10%-ers everywhere and they create 99% of the dysfunction.
I do a good job at AT and I will do a great job at SWA, but that is more my personal ethic when approaching any job, than a result of any certain culture.
Remember an airline is a business and its goal is to make money and that should focus your perspective. If you think you will kick back in your airline job and enjoy the good life you may be mistaken. Working for an airline is definitely work. Some days harder than others but nothing will come your way for free. You will be away from home. You will ask "what are they thinking?" You will have to deal with a million moving parts of the system.
I am looking forward to joining SWA but with a cautious attitude.
Good luck to all who apply, look forward to meeting those that are hired, and lets all succeed going forward. With success will come growth with growth we will have a happier pilot group.
Take Care
Boogie
I am an AT FO with 12 years active duty and 12 year reserve. I know how this looks to you. Unions will become a big part of your life like it or not.
I have some major disappointments (putting it mildly) but I am putting it behind me (still some irritations, but that is more to do with the ground operations than the merger).
I figure if I do not like it I can go somewhere else. That said I am not going to complain about it because it is a choice I have made.
My reason for staying are many. When I cross over I will have over a 1,500 guys below me. I will be able to get a domicile near my home, I will get a 40% pay raise. Hopefully some job stability with a company that makes money. That said I will like only make captain just before I retire (12-18 years depending on growth)
Lets face it the AT guys got hosed. No reach around. That said griping about it does no good. We are pilots however, and will complain. We like control and get upset when it is taken out of our hands.
Before you go to SWA ask yourself where you want to be 15 years from now. I know getting out of the military you think a good paying job is key, and it is but there is a lot that goes with it.
Having dealt with the SWA side (ground ops) and the AT side I can say I preferred the OPs at AT. Variety of reasons, but really it all come down to attitude, sense of urgency, and getting the plane pushed on time. Understand also AT had/has its own issues.
SWA has many inefficiencies built into their system. I am sure there are good reasons for them but I suspect most are technology related and because of a certain arrogance. Many would say that arrogance is deserved but really it just gets in the way of innovation.
I really believe (I hope) SWA is on the verge of a major change. I commute a lot on many different products and if SWA wants to be competitive it will have to change or lose money. With a leaner and meaner industry and SWA is no long the low cost carrier it was, it will have to adapt. SWA was long the underdog and now it has grown up. With growth comes change.
A lot is made about the culture. I am sure it is great. For the most part SWA people I meet are very nice. I am an outsider and I am treated as such. I find if I treat people with respect (one on one) I get it returned. I really do not have much to complain about vis a vis the SWA pilots I have met and I look forward to flying with them. My issues most deal with ground ops. Yeah we got hosed but I am past that. I can't fix it. I can only do the best job I can and hope it makes a difference. Yeah I know I have the boy-scout attitude but I think that is what is needed
Remember when dealing with people, reading posts there are the 10%-ers everywhere and they create 99% of the dysfunction.
I do a good job at AT and I will do a great job at SWA, but that is more my personal ethic when approaching any job, than a result of any certain culture.
Remember an airline is a business and its goal is to make money and that should focus your perspective. If you think you will kick back in your airline job and enjoy the good life you may be mistaken. Working for an airline is definitely work. Some days harder than others but nothing will come your way for free. You will be away from home. You will ask "what are they thinking?" You will have to deal with a million moving parts of the system.
I am looking forward to joining SWA but with a cautious attitude.
Good luck to all who apply, look forward to meeting those that are hired, and lets all succeed going forward. With success will come growth with growth we will have a happier pilot group.
Take Care
Boogie
12-15-2013, 03:21 PM
#119
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Position: 717 Capt.
Posts: 248
Disrespectful? Hardly my intention. Not talking about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. My comment had nothing to do with his views. It was a tragic event for his friends and family and my thoughts will always be with them.
12-15-2013, 05:56 PM
#120
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