Arbitrator rules in favor of ALPA
10-22-2013, 02:47 PM
#51
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How do you know what's going to happen twenty years down the road. Maybe when someone asks an AirTran pilot twenty years from now they will have a very similar answer. It most definitely is within the realm of possibility, if you are realistic you will be able to see that potential outcome.
10-22-2013, 03:47 PM
#52
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Maxpower - the word on the street is just about all AirTran pilots that have come to the darkside (SWA side of the partition) avoid the -300 like the plague. These individuals will bid into something else with a -700 or -800. All of the pilots I have flown with have been professional and awesome, period. Ok, your turn.
10-22-2013, 11:07 PM
#53
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SWA bought the remnants of ATA - 7 months after they liquidated.
Morris Air? Ask any of them, they did quite well.
AT? Who knows.
And I'll remind you, it wasn't the pilots at SWA that had anything to do with any of the above. EVERYTHING was dictated by the management at SWA, so please stop making this personal.
10-25-2013, 03:59 AM
#54
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What are you talking about?
SWA bought the remnants of ATA - 7 months after they liquidated.
Morris Air? Ask any of them, they did quite well.
AT? Who knows.
And I'll remind you, it wasn't the pilots at SWA that had anything to do with any of the above. EVERYTHING was dictated by the management at SWA, so please stop making this personal.
SWA bought the remnants of ATA - 7 months after they liquidated.
Morris Air? Ask any of them, they did quite well.
AT? Who knows.
And I'll remind you, it wasn't the pilots at SWA that had anything to do with any of the above. EVERYTHING was dictated by the management at SWA, so please stop making this personal.
I have no dog in this fight & have no intention of making this "personal".
My comments were a reflection of the following:
1) Ex-ATA Captain, now at a regional, on the JS. Long story about how SW came in & screwed them. He stayed until the end, & watched as all the assets (MDW gates & aircraft) were sucked up, & the pilots discarded.
2) Very senior SW DFW Captain & FO - lengthy discussion about how SW "puts people in their place" during mergers. The CA said basically "We showed the Morris guys how it is done & now are showing the AT guys the same thing". The FO agreed, (he looked too young to know about the Morris merger), & said the AT guys "were lucky to be at SW, & should appreciate what they get", no matter what happens to them.
3) Discussion with AT FO - he said that he was "happy" SW bought them, but that all the AT CAs would be adversely affected by the merger. IOW, they would all be FOs & that the ultimate winner in the deal was the SW pilots. He said the merger would translate into him losing a few hundred thousand dollars, since he was close to upgrade at the time of the merger, & was now SOL.
I don't know any SW guys & have no real opinion about what they do, or how they conduct their business. I was just relating an overall opinion based on the multiple conversations stated above. It's kind of obvious why I could reach the conclusion I did. If the info is incorrect, I would defer to someone with more accurate info, since I was not personally involved with any of these incidents.
10-27-2013, 09:22 AM
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*AT pilots get something out of this arbitration
*Management disputes the ruling because they're scumbags
*The arbitrators decision wil not "constitute SWAPAs position" because they're scumbags
*After delaying as long as possible, second arbitration takes place
*Second arbitration goes in favor of management/SWAPA because its rigged in their favor
*Animosity and resentment for SWAPA and management continues to grow because they're scumbags
10-27-2013, 01:53 PM
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ultimate winner in the deal was the SW pilots. He said the merger would translate into him losing a few hundred thousand dollars, since he was close to upgrade at the time of the merger, & was now SOL.
10-27-2013, 02:39 PM
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IF the arbitrator were to award ATN anything, SWAPA must present it as their position. If they give it anything less than their full-throated support, it's a DFR lawsuit.
If the remedy costs SWA money, you can be sure they will dispute it. 2nd Arbitration occurs and the board is 1 ATN pilot, 1 SWAPA pilot, 2 SWA reps and the neutral arbitrator. In that case, the vote would be 2-2 with the arbitrator vote deciding.
If the remedy costs SWA money, you can be sure they will dispute it. 2nd Arbitration occurs and the board is 1 ATN pilot, 1 SWAPA pilot, 2 SWA reps and the neutral arbitrator. In that case, the vote would be 2-2 with the arbitrator vote deciding.
10-27-2013, 03:34 PM
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IF the arbitrator were to award ATN anything, SWAPA must present it as their position. If they give it anything less than their full-throated support, it's a DFR lawsuit.
If the remedy costs SWA money, you can be sure they will dispute it. 2nd Arbitration occurs and the board is 1 ATN pilot, 1 SWAPA pilot, 2 SWA reps and the neutral arbitrator. In that case, the vote would be 2-2 with the arbitrator vote deciding.
If the remedy costs SWA money, you can be sure they will dispute it. 2nd Arbitration occurs and the board is 1 ATN pilot, 1 SWAPA pilot, 2 SWA reps and the neutral arbitrator. In that case, the vote would be 2-2 with the arbitrator vote deciding.
10-27-2013, 03:52 PM
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If nothing changes, I'm about to take a $30-40K yearly pay cut for many, many years while yanking gear for some guy hired long after me.
Acrimonious doesn't even begin to describe my attitude.
GK and SWAPA can blow me.
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