Transition Award 13-9
09-06-2013, 09:32 PM
#63
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: 717 Capt.
Posts: 248
Depending on exactly when it happens, I'll be at either $183/hr or $186/hr by the time I'm forced over. To say I'm not looking at a $30K-$40K/yr pay cut is nothing short of idiotic.
I owe this company NOTHING, and my work ethic reflects that.
I owe this company NOTHING, and my work ethic reflects that.
09-06-2013, 11:04 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Feb 2005
Position: B737 Captain
Posts: 323
Care to put your real name on that?
09-07-2013, 02:48 AM
#65
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Position: B737 Right
Posts: 80
Nice work 4th level. You really told him.
My only hope is that someday your boss puts you in the same dilemma several hundred of us find ourselves in. Namely, eat the **** sandwich and remain employed or gripe about it from the unemployment line.
I mean, what a paradox. My friends in the right seat move up to a meaningful wage while my friends from the left seat get castigated for complaining about the screwing they've been handed. Handed to them by people with big smiles and glowing comments about the Airtran "failed experiment".
HUH?
A profitable company with full airplanes (more often than not) who kept Delta airlines on a short leash (in head to head cities) was a failure?
There's a huge disconnect in someone's logic. Maybe, 4th level, it is you. Your union and our company did this and that makes you part of the problem. Get your head in the game. 10% of the combined pilot group are fully committed to the business end of the whip. 40 more lashes please.
My only hope is that someday your boss puts you in the same dilemma several hundred of us find ourselves in. Namely, eat the **** sandwich and remain employed or gripe about it from the unemployment line.
I mean, what a paradox. My friends in the right seat move up to a meaningful wage while my friends from the left seat get castigated for complaining about the screwing they've been handed. Handed to them by people with big smiles and glowing comments about the Airtran "failed experiment".
HUH?
A profitable company with full airplanes (more often than not) who kept Delta airlines on a short leash (in head to head cities) was a failure?
There's a huge disconnect in someone's logic. Maybe, 4th level, it is you. Your union and our company did this and that makes you part of the problem. Get your head in the game. 10% of the combined pilot group are fully committed to the business end of the whip. 40 more lashes please.
09-07-2013, 06:19 AM
#66
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,803
You can't be serious! How dilusuonal are you to think that those of us who are getting forced back to the right seat for many years to come, taking a paycut, and lost over 30% relative seniority, would have a good attitude. You're out of your mind.
I'll be milking the company for every penny I can. There will be no loyalty for many of us. You (SWAPA and SWA) made this bed. Make yourself comfortable amigo.
I'll be milking the company for every penny I can. There will be no loyalty for many of us. You (SWAPA and SWA) made this bed. Make yourself comfortable amigo.
09-07-2013, 06:41 AM
#67
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 677
Thanks for proving my point, guys (BTW, adding Frank Rizzo to the list of vocal complainers who haven't come over to the SWA side yet). I post a rebuttal to your assertions about pay cuts, using real world numbers and none of you are willing to touch it. Nice.
Will you ever own up to any of your MEC & MCs contributions to making that 'bed"? Their behavior in the wake of the first IAP left a bad taste in the company's mouth that I believe persists to this day. I'm sorry for the squeeze you guys are under right now with min guarantees and over-staffing, but some of that is par for the course as we all find ourselves in the height of the integration transitions. You really need to get over this becoming an FO thing, though. You got a very quick upgrade at a small major-in-name-only airline that was coming off a nice period of growth. Now you've been merged into a very big airline at which your system seniority would not be able to hold a left seat without long fences. Sorry....welcome to the airline business. You want that left seat back? I hear Spirit has quick upgrades these days--if you had got on with them shortly after the ISL was finalized, you'd almost be a captain again.
You can't be serious! How dilusuonal are you to think that those of us who are getting forced back to the right seat for many years to come, taking a paycut, and lost over 30% relative seniority, would have a good attitude. You're out of your mind.
I'll be milking the company for every penny I can. There will be no loyalty for many of us. You (SWAPA and SWA) made this bed. Make yourself comfortable amigo.
I'll be milking the company for every penny I can. There will be no loyalty for many of us. You (SWAPA and SWA) made this bed. Make yourself comfortable amigo.
09-07-2013, 11:31 AM
#68
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Joined APC: Feb 2005
Position: B737 Captain
Posts: 323
Nice work 4th level. You really told him.
My only hope is that someday your boss puts you in the same dilemma several hundred of us find ourselves in.
Um, he has. The pain is not yours alone.
I mean, what a paradox. My friends in the right seat move up to a meaningful wage while my friends from the left seat get castigated for complaining about the screwing they've been handed. Handed to them by people with big smiles and glowing comments about the Airtran "failed experiment".
HUH?
A profitable company with full airplanes (more often than not) who kept Delta airlines on a short leash (in head to head cities) was a failure?
I never said, nor feel any of that.
There's a huge disconnect in someone's logic. Maybe, 4th level, it is you. Your union and our company did this and that makes you part of the problem. Get your head in the game. 10% of the combined pilot group are fully committed to the business end of the whip. 40 more lashes please.
My only hope is that someday your boss puts you in the same dilemma several hundred of us find ourselves in.
Um, he has. The pain is not yours alone.
I mean, what a paradox. My friends in the right seat move up to a meaningful wage while my friends from the left seat get castigated for complaining about the screwing they've been handed. Handed to them by people with big smiles and glowing comments about the Airtran "failed experiment".
HUH?
A profitable company with full airplanes (more often than not) who kept Delta airlines on a short leash (in head to head cities) was a failure?
I never said, nor feel any of that.
There's a huge disconnect in someone's logic. Maybe, 4th level, it is you. Your union and our company did this and that makes you part of the problem. Get your head in the game. 10% of the combined pilot group are fully committed to the business end of the whip. 40 more lashes please.
09-07-2013, 11:43 AM
#69
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2005
Position: B737 Captain
Posts: 323
You can't be serious! How dilusuonal are you to think that those of us who are getting forced back to the right seat for many years to come, taking a paycut, and lost over 30% relative seniority, would have a good attitude. You're out of your mind.
I'll be milking the company for every penny I can. There will be no loyalty for many of us. You (SWAPA and SWA) made this bed. Make yourself comfortable amigo.
I'll be milking the company for every penny I can. There will be no loyalty for many of us. You (SWAPA and SWA) made this bed. Make yourself comfortable amigo.
The pilots at SWA did not "do this to you". We don't have to like what was shoved down our throats, but we do have to work together - so please check your attitude at the door. I'll gladly buy the beer.
Amigo.
Last edited by 4th Level; 09-07-2013 at 12:05 PM.
09-07-2013, 07:28 PM
#70
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 270
And your colleagues don't do that now? You can't say that employees don't work the system for premium pay, whether ethical or not, to get the biggest paycheck for the same amount of work with sick calls, picking up a dropped trip by a "sick" employee and etc. Meanwhile still looking down at the new "family members" for having that attitude. Simply amazing as usual. It happens althrough the industry when you find the loopholes in spoken or printed word. So....it is essentially "milking the company for all it's worth". Just saying
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