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09-03-2013, 11:34 AM
#41
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Resume insertion of head in the sand........
09-03-2013, 12:49 PM
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09-03-2013, 02:10 PM
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Of course, you're probably not aware of the recent ALPA study/survey of AirTran Cptns that transitioned over to SW FO and have been on that side for at least a year now. I believe the average loss of pay was right around 30K. How many SW pilots have taken a downgrade and/or paycut?
09-03-2013, 04:02 PM
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Why don't you take up a collection from the AT FO's who got a $60/hr (pre-aquisition contract) / $35/hr (post-aquisition contract) raise when they crossed the partition? None of them seem to be upset! Alway good to skew the data by not bringing up the pre-acquisiton AT Capt maxed-out rate of $152/hr which compares well with the current maxed out SWA FO rate of $151/hr--but $133 TFP sounds so much better to further your agenda.
Pay raise given to any SWA pilot as part of this deal = ZERO - but for a few hundred out of 6,000 pilots who got an early upgrade.
Pay raise given to any SWA pilot as part of this deal = ZERO - but for a few hundred out of 6,000 pilots who got an early upgrade.
09-03-2013, 05:30 PM
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AT Capt maxed-out rate of $152/hr
Pay cut? No problem. The math doesn't lie.
Let's see: $174 * 75 * 12 = $156,600
$133 * 87 * 12 = $138,852
This is the minimum. And that's assuming anyone works for 75 hours---which they didn't until recently.
At 81.5 hours of flying the difference is----ready?----$30,000. Real dollars. Real pay cut for Airtran captains.
09-03-2013, 05:35 PM
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Why don't you take up a collection from the AT FO's who got a $60/hr (pre-aquisition contract) / $35/hr (post-aquisition contract) raise when they crossed the partition? None of them seem to be upset! Alway good to skew the data by not bringing up the pre-acquisiton AT Capt maxed-out rate of $152/hr which compares well with the current maxed out SWA FO rate of $151/hr--but $133 TFP sounds so much better to further your agenda.
Pay raise given to any SWA pilot as part of this deal = ZERO - but for a few hundred out of 6,000 pilots who got an early upgrade.
Pay raise given to any SWA pilot as part of this deal = ZERO - but for a few hundred out of 6,000 pilots who got an early upgrade.
I don't however appreciate the insinuation that we should chock up our pay raise (contract being settled) to the acquisition.
Tell ya what, why don't we take up a collection from your upgrades instead seeing that they're upgrading DIRECTLY because our Cptns are downgrading. Isn't that more fitting?
09-03-2013, 05:45 PM
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Where do you morons come up with this crap? Add about $30 to that then do your math.
Pay cut? No problem. The math doesn't lie.
Let's see: $174 * 75 * 12 = $156,600
$133 * 87 * 12 = $138,852
This is the minimum. And that's assuming anyone works for 75 hours---which they didn't until recently.
At 81.5 hours of flying the difference is----ready?----$30,000. Real dollars. Real pay cut for Airtran captains.
Pay cut? No problem. The math doesn't lie.
Let's see: $174 * 75 * 12 = $156,600
$133 * 87 * 12 = $138,852
This is the minimum. And that's assuming anyone works for 75 hours---which they didn't until recently.
At 81.5 hours of flying the difference is----ready?----$30,000. Real dollars. Real pay cut for Airtran captains.
Certainly the AVERAGE SW pilot gets paid more TFP on average per month than the average AT pilot gets paid hours BUT, SW TFP rates are significantly lower than AT hourly rates and that is where the paycut comes in.
To insinuate that this whole screw job hasn't been a paycut for our downgrading Cptns is as ridiculous as saying that the pain is "shared" on both sides of the fence.
09-03-2013, 05:47 PM
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